Violation or not? Player near sideline

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

4-15-5: An interrupted dribble occurs when the ball is loose after deflecting
off the dribbler or after it momentarily gets away from the dribbler. There is no
player control during an interrupted dribble.

Doesn't sound like an interrupted dribble to me ("one hand passes the ball up the court").

Where does it say the ID can't be intentional?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Where does it say the ID can't be intentional?

Here?

4-15-1: A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats
(intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once
or several times.

You can't have your cake, and eat it too.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here?

4-15-1: A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats
(intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once
or several times.

You can't have your cake, and eat it too.

Yep, it's still a dribble, but it's interrupted.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Yep, it's still a dribble, but it's interrupted.

It's one, or the other, it can't be both.

Or do we need a new definition for an uninterrupted dribble.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's one, or the other, it can't be both.

Or do we need a new definition for an uninterrupted dribble.

How exactly are they mutually exclusive?
A1 pushes the ball towards the floor as a regular dribble, then, he trips over his teammate before he can grab it again and he falls out of bounds. Are you calling him OOB?

More importantly, if the same action (as the OP) occurred in the middle of the court:

A1 trying to dribble around B1 pushes the ball ahead to the left of his defender and goes the other direction around B1. B2 sees the ball and starts to grab it. A1 requests a timeout?

Your call?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

A1 pushes the ball toward the floor as a regular dribble, then, he trips over his teammate before he can grab it again ...

Good point Adam. Interrupted dribble, because the ball "momentarily gets away from the dribbler", which certainly fits the definition of an interrupted dribble, even though this started out as a "intentional" dribble.

Still, to me, the original post seems like it's not an interrupted dribble.

Maybe we have to use that circular logic, that I really, really hate to use, asking the question, "Would you grant a timeout?", to help us decide whether, or not, its a dribble, or an interrupted dribble? Man, I even hate typing those words.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good point Adam. Interrupted dribble, because the ball "momentarily gets away from the dribbler", which certainly fits the definition of an interrupted dribble, even though this started out as a "intentional" dribble.

Still, to me, the original post seems like it's not an interrupted dribble.

Maybe we have to use that circular logic, that I really, really hate to use, asking the question, "Would you grant a timeout?", to help us decide whether, or not, its a dribble, or an interrupted dribble? Man, I even hate typing those words.

To me, it's similar to the whole (bogus) concept of the "controlled" tap. IMO, if the players isn't in control enough to grant a TO, he's not a dribbler. It may be a "controlled" interrupted dribble, but it's still interrupted. He voluntarily gave up control in order to avoid a violation; nothing wrong with that, IMO.