Marcus Smart shove - OK State/Texas Tech (Video)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is secondary to the main discussion, yes, but seriously, it's there. Airborne player catches the ball and lands left, right, left.

I'm still thinking that someday the light will go on -- nobody at that level is praised or rewarded for how well they can spot those kind of travels. The left foot touches almost simultaneously with the gather. Nobody's calling that. I'm not calling that in a boys HS game. It's too fine of a nit to pick.

Did someone steal your account and post that observation as a parody?

[johnnyg08]

In other sports, this would be the same thing. You're not going to eject a player in football or baseball for their interactions w/ a fan. I have no problem w/ no ejection mainly because there's no rule support to eject.

[OKREF]

You can see the guy saying, "I'm sorry about that", and holding his hands up. He just can't do that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

You can see the guy saying, "I'm sorry about that", and holding his hands up. He just can't do that.

My guess.
1. Fan says something offensive while Smart is down.
2. Smart confronts fan.
3. Fan says something dismissive, and Smart responds physically.

[grunewar]

Marcus Smart of Oklahoma State Cowboys suspended 3 games for shoving fan - ESPN

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

In other sports, this would be the same thing. You're not going to eject a player in football or baseball for their interactions w/ a fan. I have no problem w/ no ejection mainly because there's no rule support to eject.

That is not true. If a football player went into stands and interacted with fans, yes they could be penalized. Same goes for baseball. Of course the interaction would have to be seen, but yes you penalize players when they say things to fans or make gestures, so why would you not be able to do the same from basically an action that could be seen as an assault or a fight?

Peace

[Toren]

As officials, we needed someone to be helping Smart get up after going into the crowd. Hostile environment, rowdy crowd, big play, we needed someone in the trenches. It appeared as if we treated this as business as usual play and then it escalated really quickly and we were left without knowing what happened.

If we are there, we can prevent Smart from attacking the fan. We can then have game management remove the spectator.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Toren

As officials, we needed someone to be helping Smart get up after going into the crowd. Hostile environment, rowdy crowd, big play, we needed someone in the trenches. It appeared as if we treated this as business as usual play and then it escalated really quickly and we were left without knowing what happened.

If we are there, we can prevent Smart from attacking the fan. We can then have game management remove the spectator.

Who is going to help him that quickly? Smart has to be smarter than that. Most players make that kind of play and when it is clear they are not hurt, they turn around and go back to the court. I am sure often people say things to players in these situations that are not nice. And I know during the games things are said to players that are not nice and we do not see players going into the stands to address those issues.

Name another situation in big time college basketball you have ever seen a player go into the stands and confront or physically engage a fan?

Peace

[Toren]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Who is going to help him that quickly? Smart has to be smarter than that.

I agree that we may not have prevented the reaction, but in this case we didn't even try. We have to realize that there is potential for things like this to happen.

Smart does need to be smarter than that and so do we.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

As officials, we needed someone to be helping Smart get up after going into the crowd. Hostile environment, rowdy crowd, big play, we needed someone in the trenches. It appeared as if we treated this as business as usual play and then it escalated really quickly and we were left without knowing what happened.

If we are there, we can prevent Smart from attacking the fan. We can then have game management remove the spectator.

Is this a joke? You think the officials, after calling the foul, responsibility is to help the kid up? that's what his team is there for. It's just an unfortunate set of events that occurred and we learn and move on. We don't "need" anyone in the trenches. It would be another story all together if two opposing players land one on top of another then we need someone in there to make sure THAT doesn't escalate. But as far as I am concerned, it was a business as usual play.

We don't need knee jerk reactions and caseplays and rule changes that address what the officials *should* do or have done. It's a 1 in a million chance and I am good leaving it at that. At the least maybe a caseplay for how a penalty should be adjudicated with player and fan interaction. but that's it.

[BillyMac]

[Toren]

Originally Posted by deecee

Is this a joke? You think the officials, after calling the foul, responsibility is to help the kid up? that's what his team is there for. It's just an unfortunate set of events that occurred and we learn and move on. We don't "need" anyone in the trenches. It would be another story all together if two opposing players land one on top of another then we need someone in there to make sure THAT doesn't escalate. But as far as I am concerned, it was a business as usual play.

We don't need knee jerk reactions and caseplays and rule changes that address what the officials *should* do or have done. It's a 1 in a million chance and I am good leaving it at that. At the least maybe a caseplay for how a penalty should be adjudicated with player and fan interaction. but that's it.

So tell me exactly what the officials job is? The offensive players run into the crowd and are pounding their chest. The defensive player who just picked up a foul in a closely contested game, go flying into the crowd.

Maybe you can be like the C and go grab the ball, I'm sure you think that's #1 priority.

The safety of players of the crew and then players is #1 and #2 priority.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

So tell me exactly what the officials job is? The offensive players run into the crowd and are pounding their chest. The defensive player who just picked up a foul in a closely contested game, go flying into the crowd.

Maybe you can be like the C and go grab the ball, I'm sure you think that's #1 priority.

The safety of players of the crew and then players is #1 and #2 priority.

Yup, get the ball, and line the kids up to shoot FT's. We officiate the game. If it were 2 opposing players then we get in there. In this case there was no need for that. What do you do when a player goes to save a ball, flying OOB, and lands in the third row after he saves the ball?

I'm guessing you stop officiating and go help the player up