Marcus Smart shove - OK State/Texas Tech (Video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by maroonx

How does one hear a racial slur wrong? I need an example. This has no place in sports one of the few places in life where there is an equal playing field.

Some people expect to hear certain things and will hear them when they are not there.

We have an official that does that (and not in a racial way, he just thinks coaches are challenging him when they're just telling their kids to run a play or telling their kids why they got the foul call).

Or the fact that it was noisy and a lot of people were yelling a lot of things....mix three or four different people together and you can get some odd stuff.

[maroonx]

Ok.

[BryanV21]

Seriously? You don't know what was said. You don't know who's lying. Quit acting like you're all-knowing.

I don't like the fact that fans are allowed to talk trash and basically be instigators, but that's the way it is. It's up to players, coaches, and others involved with the game to rise above such things. Smart didn't do that, and he's learning the hard way how not to respond to idiots.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

So tell me exactly what the officials job is? The offensive players run into the crowd and are pounding their chest. The defensive player who just picked up a foul in a closely contested game, go flying into the crowd.

Maybe you can be like the C and go grab the ball, I'm sure you think that's #1 priority.

The safety of players of the crew and then players is #1 and #2 priority.

Yup, get the ball, and line the kids up to shoot FT's. We officiate the game. If it were 2 opposing players then we get in there. In this case there was no need for that. What do you do when a player goes to save a ball, flying OOB, and lands in the third row after he saves the ball?

I'm guessing you stop officiating and go help the player up

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by maroonx

How does one hear a racial slur wrong? I need an example. This has no place in sports one of the few places in life where there is an equal playing field.

Maroon,

It's called deflection. I screwed up and I'm looking for support. The race card being played when convenient. It's like finding Jesus when convenient.

If a racial slur was thrown, let administration deal with it. There is no excuse for a player going into the stands and assaulting a fan.

[ronny mulkey]

Wasn't there an NFHS interpretation or casebook play that ruled that a player/team member that entered the stands to fight was to be considered "fighting"?

[Toren]

Originally Posted by deecee

Yup, get the ball, and line the kids up to shoot FT's. We officiate the game. If it were 2 opposing players then we get in there. In this case there was no need for that. What do you do when a player goes to save a ball, flying OOB, and lands in the third row after he saves the ball?

I'm guessing you stop officiating and go help the player up

Every crew needs a U2. Go grab that ball.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

Every crew needs a U2. Go grab that ball.

Someone has to while you are running around picking up every player off the court, or in the stands. From the video if there was anything that the officials could have done it would have been because they could see the future. But hey you would have this under control.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Maroon,

It's called deflection. I screwed up and I'm looking for support. The race card being played when convenient. It's like finding Jesus when convenient.

If a racial slur was thrown, let administration deal with it. There is no excuse for a player going into the stands and assaulting a fan.

What? Race card?

There are not many things in life people react that way to. And if he went to the guy that said something to him, then there you go.

But it is also those that would say those kinds of things, do not want to publicly be known as a racist. One of the biggest things I notice amongst a certain group of people is they cannot stand to be called that even when they have used or said things inapproriate. Just look at our politics and the things said about our President, and the people that made the specific comments that clearly have a history run from the claim of being called a racist. Even if it was clearly on tape he likely would have ran from it as people around him might have not dealt with him in the same way. He has a lot to lose. And I love how being called something makes that person playing a "card." It would be no different if he was called a "Piece of s h i t," that is sitll very inapproprate, but does not have any other implications.

Sorry, I do not believe the "fan." I think he said something or he knows who said it and does not want to be associated with that label more than anything.

Peace

[maroonx]

If the fan was immediately punished like Marcus. No argument from me. But he was not because he is White. If it was a white player and a black fan, the black fan would be arrested immediately. And you know that's is a fact.

[just another ref]

As others have said, no matter what the fan said, it doesn't come close to justifying the reaction. We may never know what was said. As far as the fan, who knows? He may be a psycho who just loses it at games, and he may be cold and calculating and works at shouting the most inflammatory thing possible to unnerve the opposing player, which certainly worked here. Even if it was a racial remark, the guy may or may not be a racist. No matter what was said, was any law broken here? Whether there was or not, this is not an officiating issue.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by maroonx

If the fan was immediately punished like Marcus. No argument from me. But he was not because he is White. If it was a white player and a black fan, the black fan would be arrested immediately. And you know that's is a fact.

White players wouldn't do this because they can control their emotions and have more character .

Not everything between individuals of 2 different skin color needs to be a color issue. Speculating does nothing more than add fuel to the fire and perpetuate the same bs over and over again. [/end politics on officials forum]

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by maroonx

If the fan was immediately punished like Marcus. No argument from me. But he was not because he is White. If it was a white player and a black fan, the black fan would be arrested immediately. And you know that's is a fact.

I think it would depend if they were a big donor to the university or not. And it appears this guy does more than just support the team by coming to the games only.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Maroon,

It's called deflection. I screwed up and I'm looking for support. The race card being played when convenient. It's like finding Jesus when convenient.

If a racial slur was thrown, let administration deal with it. There is no excuse for a player going into the stands and assaulting a fan.

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Wasn't there an NFHS interpretation or casebook play that ruled that a player/team member that entered the stands to fight was to be considered "fighting"?

He didn't GO into the stands. He ended up there as a result of the play.

What does "playing the race card' mean, and what "card" is played when someone distorts facts?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

He didn't GO into the stands. He ended up there as a result of the play.

What does "playing the race card' mean, and what "card" is played when someone distorts facts?

The "card" is the one that certain people do not want to deal with and admit that certain things take place. You know, all this racism stuff went away in the 60s.

Peace