Marcus Smart shove - OK State/Texas Tech (Video)

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

First thing I noticed is the guy going up for the shot traveled.

Thank you for getting this out of the way...now we can get back to the real discussion at hand.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

Thank you for getting this out of the way...now we can get back to the real discussion at hand.

It is secondary to the main discussion, yes, but seriously, it's there. Airborne player catches the ball and lands left, right, left.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is secondary to the main discussion, yes, but seriously, it's there. Airborne player catches the ball and lands left, right, left.

Secondary? It's not even tertiary or quaternary. It's not even on the radar. Again, thank you again for the obligatory travel post. The quota has been met, and now we can get back to the real discussion at hand.

[APG]

Here's the situation being discussed:

[Welpe]

One thing for sure, anything the fan said to set Smart off would have been heard by several people. If it was racial, I hope Tech does the right thing.

[Nevadaref]

From an ESPN report on the game:

Big 12 coordinator of officials Curtis Shaw told ESPN that the officials don't have jurisdiction to eject a player who is involved in an altercation with a fan.

"There is no precedent for that," Shaw said. "Our rules are for flagrant (foul) 1 or 2. We don't have grounds for dealing with a fan. We don't have a rule to get involved when the player is involved with a fan. We don't know what was said. The official, Doug Sirmons, didn't know what was said."

Shaw said anything involving a fan is up to the host school.

"That's up to the security of the home team and the conference," Shaw said. "We've never had a fan with a player incident before."

[junruh07]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

From an ESPN report on the game:

Big 12 coordinator of officials Curtis Shaw told ESPN that the officials don't have jurisdiction to eject a player who is involved in an altercation with a fan.

"There is no precedent for that," Shaw said. "Our rules are for flagrant (foul) 1 or 2. We don't have grounds for dealing with a fan. We don't have a rule to get involved when the player is involved with a fan. We don't know what was said. The official, Doug Sirmons, didn't know what was said."

Shaw said anything involving a fan is up to the host school.

"That's up to the security of the home team and the conference," Shaw said. "We've never had a fan with a player incident before."

Since they haven't had an incident before, of course there would be no precedent. I would have been ok if they had set one and tossed the player and the fan. That is just completely unacceptable behavior from the player, but it's obvious that the fan said something to provoke the action. Having done it himself, I'm sure Mr. Shaw can't get that upset at his officials for removing fans.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

From an ESPN report on the game:

Big 12 coordinator of officials Curtis Shaw told ESPN that the officials don't have jurisdiction to eject a player who is involved in an altercation with a fan.

"There is no precedent for that," Shaw said. "Our rules are for flagrant (foul) 1 or 2. We don't have grounds for dealing with a fan. We don't have a rule to get involved when the player is involved with a fan. We don't know what was said. The official, Doug Sirmons, didn't know what was said."

Shaw said anything involving a fan is up to the host school.

"That's up to the security of the home team and the conference," Shaw said. "We've never had a fan with a player incident before."

I have to wonder what earned the T then. Judging by the timing, it's something he said to the ref.

[OkieZebra]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

From an ESPN report on the game:

Big 12 coordinator of officials Curtis Shaw told ESPN that the officials don't have jurisdiction to eject a player who is involved in an altercation with a fan.

"There is no precedent for that," Shaw said. "Our rules are for flagrant (foul) 1 or 2. We don't have grounds for dealing with a fan. We don't have a rule to get involved when the player is involved with a fan. We don't know what was said. The official, Doug Sirmons, didn't know what was said."

Shaw said anything involving a fan is up to the host school.

"That's up to the security of the home team and the conference," Shaw said. "We've never had a fan with a player incident before."

Yes, the Big XII has had an incident like that.



I'd say the incident where the entire UT team ended up in the crowd was worse. So maybe it isn't precedent.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is secondary to the main discussion, yes, but seriously, it's there. Airborne player catches the ball and lands left, right, left.

I'm still thinking that someday the light will go on -- nobody at that level is praised or rewarded for how well they can spot those kind of travels. The left foot touches almost simultaneously with the gather. Nobody's calling that. I'm not calling that in a boys HS game. It's too fine of a nit to pick.

Did someone steal your account and post that observation as a parody?

[johnnyg08]

In other sports, this would be the same thing. You're not going to eject a player in football or baseball for their interactions w/ a fan. I have no problem w/ no ejection mainly because there's no rule support to eject.

[OKREF]

You can see the guy saying, "I'm sorry about that", and holding his hands up. He just can't do that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

You can see the guy saying, "I'm sorry about that", and holding his hands up. He just can't do that.

My guess.
1. Fan says something offensive while Smart is down.
2. Smart confronts fan.
3. Fan says something dismissive, and Smart responds physically.

[grunewar]

Marcus Smart of Oklahoma State Cowboys suspended 3 games for shoving fan - ESPN

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

In other sports, this would be the same thing. You're not going to eject a player in football or baseball for their interactions w/ a fan. I have no problem w/ no ejection mainly because there's no rule support to eject.

That is not true. If a football player went into stands and interacted with fans, yes they could be penalized. Same goes for baseball. Of course the interaction would have to be seen, but yes you penalize players when they say things to fans or make gestures, so why would you not be able to do the same from basically an action that could be seen as an assault or a fight?

Peace