Loose Ball Foul?

[JRutledge]

For me, I think it matters more who got to the spot first? If the diver got to the spot first, I am not likely calling a foul because someone tripped over him. If the diver slides into the path of the opponent, that is totally different. Again, it really matters who was where first to call a foul. I have often not called any foul in these situations when no one was really disadvantaged. And this is really no a LGP issue IMO either.

Peace

[MathReferee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

For me, I think it matters more who got to the spot first? If the diver got to the spot first, I am not likely calling a foul because someone tripped over him. If the diver slides into the path of the opponent, that is totally different. Again, it really matters who was where first to call a foul. I have often not called any foul in these situations when no one was really disadvantaged. And this is really no a LGP issue IMO either.

Peace

Thanks.

[SmokeEater]

+1 for BNR and JRut these are very good expalnations that are easy to understand. However, IMO they may be too involved to use during the game and would require conversation at half or after the game if so desired.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

+1 for BNR and JRut these are very good expalnations that are easy to understand. However, IMO they may be too involved to use during the game and would require conversation at half or after the game if so desired.

If you are referring to a coach, you are absolutely correct. I would never explain that much to a coach during a game as we would not have very much time. I might say, "Coach he got to the ball first and did not trip your player." Or something along that lines.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

+1 for BNR and JRut these are very good expalnations that are easy to understand. However, IMO they may be too involved to use during the game and would require conversation at half or after the game if so desired.

During a game, at most, "He tripped him."
If he wants to burn time during hafltime, he might get 15 seconds depending on his approach and demeanor.
After the game? Not a chance (with the understanding that MS and summer games may require a different approach).

[Sharpshooternes]

I have been having a hard time with another similar situation. a1 dives for a loose ball and is still laying down. B1 basically lands on top of A1 and tries for the ball. I think landing on top of some one is a foul but I am getting a ton of crap from coaches, whether the ball is in possession or not, about it being a loose ball so it can't be a foul.
Any opinions? Is there a difference between a loose ball foul or any other player in control foul?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I have been having a hard time with another similar situation. a1 dives for a loose ball and is still laying down. B1 basically lands on top of A1 and tries for the ball. I think landing on top of some one is a foul but I am getting a ton of crap from coaches, whether the ball is in possession or not, about it being a loose ball so it can't be a foul.
Any opinions? Is there a difference between a loose ball foul or any other player in control foul?

Never a reason to doubt your rules knowledge.

Based on this idiotic coaching logic, during loose balls can players:

• Punch other players?
• Shove players in the back?
• Trip other players?
• Tackle other players?
• Grab another player by the arm to prevent them from getting the loose ball?

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

a1 dives for a loose ball and is still laying down. B1 basically lands on top of A1 and tries for the ball. I think landing on top of some one is a foul but I am getting a ton of crap from coaches, whether the ball is in possession or not, about it being a loose ball so it can't be a foul.

1. Don't worry about the coaches giving you crap. Most of them know nothing about rules. Many will complain whenever a call goes against them regardless as to whether or not it was the correct call.

2. You are correct this is a foul on B1 and should be called.

3. If you have access to John Adams NCAA-M weekly video bulletins or know somebody that does checkout video 8 or 9. There is a play involving North Carolina and I believe either Wake Forest or Georgia Tech where the NC player has gained control of a loose ball while on the floor, the opposing player dives on top of him (should have been a foul), and then the NC player jacks the defender with an elbow. Foul on NC player was definitely a F1 and probably a F2. Good chance it would not have happened if the officials had called the first foul.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

+1 for BNR and JRut these are very good expalnations that are easy to understand. However, IMO they may be too involved to use during the game and would require conversation at half or after the game if so desired.

Diver A1 gets there first with runner B1 coming later...."A1 got there first" and wasn't disadvantage by B1 tripping (unless B1 then landed on A1).

Runner B1 gets there first and with A1 diving into B1's legs: "A1 took B1's legs out to get to the ball"

[BigT]

Is it possible that newer officials at the lower levels allow more aggressive play for loose balls, seeking who gets control rather than how they got control, that players and coaches feel it is allowed to be more aggressive when going for loose balls. Thus making our job harder when we call illegal contact with loose balls?