Loose Ball Foul?
I was in a conversation with a coach following a game and he asked about the following situation. Basically, he is coaching a team that is not incredibly talented but they play hard from start to finish.
Situation: During a loose ball, A1 and B1 are running in straight paths. A1 dives for the loose ball, following his straight path, while B1 remains upright in his path. B1 trips over A1 and goes down to the floor. The coaches complaint is that his player (A1 in the scenario) is often called for the foul and he feels they are being penalized for diving for the ball. If both players had remained upright and collided this would be a no call. My explanation was that in this situation it could be a possible no call if both players truly remain on their path and neither go into the other player's path. I think the reality is that most of the time the foul will be called on A1 regardless, but why? What verbiage would you use to explain a blocking foul on A1 in this scenario? |
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For me, I think it matters more who got to the spot first? If the diver got to the spot first, I am not likely calling a foul because someone tripped over him. If the diver slides into the path of the opponent, that is totally different. Again, it really matters who was where first to call a foul. I have often not called any foul in these situations when no one was really disadvantaged. And this is really no a LGP issue IMO either.
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+1 for BNR and JRut these are very good expalnations that are easy to understand. However, IMO they may be too involved to use during the game and would require conversation at half or after the game if so desired.
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If he wants to burn time during hafltime, he might get 15 seconds depending on his approach and demeanor. After the game? Not a chance (with the understanding that MS and summer games may require a different approach). |
I have been having a hard time with another similar situation. a1 dives for a loose ball and is still laying down. B1 basically lands on top of A1 and tries for the ball. I think landing on top of some one is a foul but I am getting a ton of crap from coaches, whether the ball is in possession or not, about it being a loose ball so it can't be a foul.
Any opinions? Is there a difference between a loose ball foul or any other player in control foul? |
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Based on this idiotic coaching logic, during loose balls can players:
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2. You are correct this is a foul on B1 and should be called. 3. If you have access to John Adams NCAA-M weekly video bulletins or know somebody that does checkout video 8 or 9. There is a play involving North Carolina and I believe either Wake Forest or Georgia Tech where the NC player has gained control of a loose ball while on the floor, the opposing player dives on top of him (should have been a foul), and then the NC player jacks the defender with an elbow. Foul on NC player was definitely a F1 and probably a F2. Good chance it would not have happened if the officials had called the first foul. |
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