2 rules questions

[Clark0215]

Wow, thanks for all the replies.

With the gather, does that occur when two hands are placed onto the ball or the ball is cradled with one hand? When teaching my kids the jump stop so they can then pivot, just make sure they are in the air while gathering? And to clarify, they can leave one or both feet after situation 2 or 3 but cant come down with the foot/feet until they pass or shoot?


With the fifth graders I have it seems the two rules that are possibly misunderstood by a few of the refs are when my kids are still sliding their feet and seem to obtain legal guarding position and take contact in the chest while the ballhandler is dribbling, but has not left his feet for a shot. Another violation we got called for two or three times was double dribble after my player mishandled a pass and the ball hit the ground, then he picked it up and started dribbling. Maybe I am the one misunderstanding those rules though?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Clark0215

Wow, thanks for all the replies.

With the gather, does that occur when two hands are placed onto the ball or the ball is cradled with one hand? When teaching my kids the jump stop so they can then pivot, just make sure they are in the air while gathering? And to clarify, they can leave one or both feet after situation 2 or 3 but cant come down with the foot/feet until they pass or shoot?


With the fifth graders I have it seems the two rules that are possibly misunderstood by a few of the refs are when my kids are still sliding their feet and seem to obtain legal guarding position and take contact in the chest while the ballhandler is dribbling, but has not left his feet for a shot. Another violation we got called for two or three times was double dribble after my player mishandled a pass and the ball hit the ground, then he picked it up and started dribbling. Maybe I am the one misunderstanding those rules though?

1. The gather is when the player begins holding the ball. Frankly, this is a judgment call. Normally, it's two hands, but that doesn't mean it can't be done with one.

2. It's fifth graders. You're going to get some officials who don't completely understand all the rules, and you're going to get players who aren't properly executing what you've taught them. Roll with it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Clark0215

Wow, thanks for all the replies.
With the gather, does that occur when two hands are placed onto the ball or the ball is cradled with one hand? When teaching my kids the jump stop so they can then pivot, just make sure they are in the air while gathering? And to clarify, they can leave one or both feet after situation 2 or 3 but cant come down with the foot/feet until they pass or shoot?

The end of the dribble is defined by catching the ball with one or both hands. The establishment of the pivot foot is defined by the same thing...when the ball is caught. At the moment where another dribble would be ruled a carry or illegal dribble is the time at which the ball is caught for the purpose of establishing the pivot foot. Some officials will try to insert some magical unnamed status between catching the ball to end the dribble and catching the ball to establish the pivot but there really isn't anything there (unless they've fumbled/muffed the ball).

Originally Posted by Clark0215

With the fifth graders I have it seems the two rules that are possibly misunderstood by a few of the refs are when my kids are still sliding their feet and seem to obtain legal guarding position and take contact in the chest while the ballhandler is dribbling, but has not left his feet for a shot.

You are probably right. I see a lot of officials penalize legal defenders just becasue they're moving. Too many believe a defender must be "set" to take a charge. And I'm not going by observation, I'm going by the explanations the officials have given in response to being asked about the call (not by me, just observing their responses to others).

Originally Posted by Clark0215

Another violation we got called for two or three times was double dribble after my player mishandled a pass and the ball hit the ground, then he picked it up and started dribbling. Maybe I am the one misunderstanding those rules though?

Could be either way. Depends on whether the official feels the first contact was a bat to the ground or an inadvertent drop.