Did anyone catch this no call?

[kung]

Adam & Ref16,

I do not see how you could agree that this should have been a no call. Are you saying that because the defender grabbed 90% of the shooters hand and touched 10% of the ball, this is a no call?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by kung

Adam & Ref16,

I do not see how you could agree that this should have been a no call. Are you saying that because the defender grabbed 90% of the shooters hand and touched 10% of the ball, this is a no call?

I thought this was not a foul. It was not obviously a foul. It looks like the defender got to the ball first and any other contact would be incidental. I would not be happy personally if I called a foul on this play after seeing it in slow motion replay. Again, that is why they call it judgment.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by kung

Adam & Ref16,

I do not see how you could agree that this should have been a no call. Are you saying that because the defender grabbed 90% of the shooters hand and touched 10% of the ball, this is a no call?

The hand was on the ball, right?

Plus:

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I thought this was not a foul. It was not obviously a foul. It looks like the defender got to the ball first and any other contact would be incidental. I would not be happy personally if I called a foul on this play after seeing it in slow motion replay. Again, that is why they call it judgment.

Peace

[stick]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I thought this was not a foul. It was not obviously a foul. It looks like the defender got to the ball first and any other contact would be incidental. I would not be happy personally if I called a foul on this play after seeing it in slow motion replay. Again, that is why they call it judgment.

Peace

Interesting. My feeling after watching this is at game speed I would've called a foul on Marion--3 shots. But not being on the court and not being an NBA ref perhaps they have a protocall on last second shots? As another poster stated perhaps they let players determine the outcome of the game. While that's a general premise that our crew goes by bot otoh if it's a totally obvious foul you gotta call it. This looked totally obvious

[APG]

Originally Posted by stick

Interesting. My feeling after watching this is at game speed I would've called a foul on Marion--3 shots. But not being on the court and not being an NBA ref perhaps they have a protocall on last second shots? As another poster stated perhaps they let players determine the outcome of the game. While that's a general premise that our crew goes by bot otoh if it's a totally obvious foul you gotta call it. This looked totally obvious

Their protocol is to call a foul if they see a foul...and to not call a foul when they're not sure or don't think it's a foul.

[stick]

Originally Posted by APG

Their protocol is to call a foul if they see a foul...and to not call a foul when they're not sure or don't think it's a foul.

Your probably right. I think their other protocall is never call traveling even if their is traveling.

[APG]

Originally Posted by stick

Your probably right. I think their other protocall is never call traveling even if their is traveling.

Or their rules provide for situations that are not traveling under their rule set where as they would be under NFHS/NCAA rule sets.

[stick]

Originally Posted by APG

Or their rules provide for situations that are not traveling under their rule set where as they would be under NFHS/NCAA rule sets.

True 'dat

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stick

Interesting. My feeling after watching this is at game speed I would've called a foul on Marion--3 shots. But not being on the court and not being an NBA ref perhaps they have a protocall on last second shots? As another poster stated perhaps they let players determine the outcome of the game. While that's a general premise that our crew goes by bot otoh if it's a totally obvious foul you gotta call it. This looked totally obvious

It's a horrible premise.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by stick

Interesting. My feeling after watching this is at game speed I would've called a foul on Marion--3 shots. But not being on the court and not being an NBA ref perhaps they have a protocall on last second shots? As another poster stated perhaps they let players determine the outcome of the game. While that's a general premise that our crew goes by bot otoh if it's a totally obvious foul you gotta call it. This looked totally obvious

In slow-mo its hardly obvious. Looks horrible but not much to make a call on.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by kung

Adam & Ref16,

I do not see how you could agree that this should have been a no call. Are you saying that because the defender grabbed 90% of the shooters hand and touched 10% of the ball, this is a no call?

You do realize that touching hand-on-ball is not a foul, right?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by kung

Adam & Ref16,

I do not see how you could agree that this should have been a no call. Are you saying that because the defender grabbed 90% of the shooters hand and touched 10% of the ball, this is a no call?

Saw it before. I remember seeing an angle where Marion gets his hand on top of the ball.

[kung]

Rich,

When the ball is on the left side of the shooter, the defender is on the right side of the shooter and the defender reaches across 2 sets of arms and "hits the ball". Tell me he "got all ball"

[Rich]

Originally Posted by kung

Rich,

When the ball is on the left side of the shooter, the defender is on the right side of the shooter and the defender reaches across 2 sets of arms and "hits the ball". Tell me he "got all ball"

If you were the official there and you didn't see anything but hand/ball contact, are you guessing and calling a foul anyway?

[walt]

Originally Posted by kung

Rich,

When the ball is on the left side of the shooter, the defender is on the right side of the shooter and the defender reaches across 2 sets of arms and "hits the ball". Tell me he "got all ball"

Where in any rule set does it say a defender has to get "all ball"? I am in the no-call camp on this one. He hits the hand while in contact with the ball.