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stick Fri Jan 31, 2014 02:32pm
Did anyone catch this no call?
 
I apologize up front if this play was referenced and discussed on here before.
Obviously Kevin Love and Rick Adelman can't believe it, nor can most of the crowd at the Target Center. Two officials had a good view of this and no call.
Would you have called this or let it go? (hopefully the link works)

Timberwolves' Rick Adelman, Kevin Love dispute last-second no-call in loss to Mavericks | The Point Forward - SI.com

DRJ1960 Fri Jan 31, 2014 02:54pm
Aren't we supposed to let the players decide the game?:D

Sorry....couldn't help myself.

MD Longhorn Fri Jan 31, 2014 03:14pm
Yes. We caught it. And discussed it.

This happened a month ago.

Adam Fri Jan 31, 2014 03:14pm
Discussed here. NBA said it should have been a foul. Some of us (including me) disagreed.

Ref16 Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:37pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 920787)
Discussed here. NBA said it should have been a foul. Some of us (including me) disagreed.
Me too in the disagree column.

AremRed Sat Feb 01, 2014 02:12am
If the NBA says it was a foul, it was a foul. Now travels on the other hand....

kung Sat Feb 01, 2014 09:43am
Adam & Ref16,

I do not see how you could agree that this should have been a no call. Are you saying that because the defender grabbed 90% of the shooters hand and touched 10% of the ball, this is a no call?

JRutledge Sat Feb 01, 2014 09:47am
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Originally Posted by kung (Post 920855)
Adam & Ref16,

I do not see how you could agree that this should have been a no call. Are you saying that because the defender grabbed 90% of the shooters hand and touched 10% of the ball, this is a no call?
I thought this was not a foul. It was not obviously a foul. It looks like the defender got to the ball first and any other contact would be incidental. I would not be happy personally if I called a foul on this play after seeing it in slow motion replay. Again, that is why they call it judgment.

Peace

Adam Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:04am
Quote:
Originally Posted by kung (Post 920855)
Adam & Ref16,

I do not see how you could agree that this should have been a no call. Are you saying that because the defender grabbed 90% of the shooters hand and touched 10% of the ball, this is a no call?
The hand was on the ball, right?

Plus:

Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 920856)
I thought this was not a foul. It was not obviously a foul. It looks like the defender got to the ball first and any other contact would be incidental. I would not be happy personally if I called a foul on this play after seeing it in slow motion replay. Again, that is why they call it judgment.

Peace

Rich Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:15am
Quote:
Originally Posted by kung (Post 920855)
Adam & Ref16,

I do not see how you could agree that this should have been a no call. Are you saying that because the defender grabbed 90% of the shooters hand and touched 10% of the ball, this is a no call?
You do realize that touching hand-on-ball is not a foul, right?

Raymond Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:57am
Quote:
Originally Posted by kung (Post 920855)
Adam & Ref16,

I do not see how you could agree that this should have been a no call. Are you saying that because the defender grabbed 90% of the shooters hand and touched 10% of the ball, this is a no call?
Saw it before. I remember seeing an angle where Marion gets his hand on top of the ball.

kung Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:36am
Rich,

When the ball is on the left side of the shooter, the defender is on the right side of the shooter and the defender reaches across 2 sets of arms and "hits the ball". Tell me he "got all ball"

Rich Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:09am
Quote:
Originally Posted by kung (Post 920928)
Rich,

When the ball is on the left side of the shooter, the defender is on the right side of the shooter and the defender reaches across 2 sets of arms and "hits the ball". Tell me he "got all ball"
If you were the official there and you didn't see anything but hand/ball contact, are you guessing and calling a foul anyway?

stick Sun Feb 02, 2014 01:23pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 920856)
I thought this was not a foul. It was not obviously a foul. It looks like the defender got to the ball first and any other contact would be incidental. I would not be happy personally if I called a foul on this play after seeing it in slow motion replay. Again, that is why they call it judgment.

Peace
Interesting. My feeling after watching this is at game speed I would've called a foul on Marion--3 shots. But not being on the court and not being an NBA ref perhaps they have a protocall on last second shots? As another poster stated perhaps they let players determine the outcome of the game. While that's a general premise that our crew goes by bot otoh if it's a totally obvious foul you gotta call it. This looked totally obvious

APG Sun Feb 02, 2014 01:33pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by stick (Post 920986)
Interesting. My feeling after watching this is at game speed I would've called a foul on Marion--3 shots. But not being on the court and not being an NBA ref perhaps they have a protocall on last second shots? As another poster stated perhaps they let players determine the outcome of the game. While that's a general premise that our crew goes by bot otoh if it's a totally obvious foul you gotta call it. This looked totally obvious
Their protocol is to call a foul if they see a foul...and to not call a foul when they're not sure or don't think it's a foul.


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