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[Rich]

Originally Posted by CountTheBasket

Based on what I'm seeing here I think I might be in the minority here but I would not do a thing about a chant coming out of the student section or anywhere in the crowd. Unless something directly affects someones safety, I do not address fans. The school and students are embarassing themselves and the game administration needs to put a stop to it (as they usually do very quickly).

We had a kid addressing an opponent with, "How does it feel being the only white kid on the team?" during the pregame layup line.

I didn't make a scene, but I didn't ignore it either.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by deecee

So the consensus seems to be that we would NOT assess a T here for racial chants.

We will however assess a T should a fan (or fans) run on the court?

What's the lesson?

One interferes with the game. One doesn't. Not a hard lesson to figure out.

And as for the "taking a stand" comments made earlier...good grief. Punishing the Coach/Team for the actions of a group of fans that the Coach has no immediate control over does not send a message, take a stand, make a point...you get the idea.

Having game mgt. remove the people doing the chant, and the school carry out further discipline sends a message to the ones actually involved in the chant...and according to the article, that is what has been done.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

One interferes with the game. One doesn't. Not a hard lesson to figure out.

And as for the "taking a stand" comments made earlier...good grief. Punishing the Coach/Team for the actions of a group of fans that the Coach has no immediate control over does not send a message, take a stand, make a point...you get the idea.

Having game mgt. remove the people doing the chant, and the school carry out further discipline sends a message to the ones actually involved in the chant...and according to the article, that is what has been done.

There it is.

I appreciate and admire those that take a stand, but be careful what motivates you. A technical foul is supposed to control behavior on the floor, not in the stands. If someone comes onto the floor, then fine, but if you want to take a stand against racism, file a report, and let the schools deal with this.

I understand Rut's contention that the words weren't "over the top," but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If we're going to take a stand against racism for some, we have to do it for all. I'll stop here before I go on a Mister Señor Love Daddy rant.

[KCRC]

Originally Posted by Mregor

I'm not smart enough to make the connection from slurpee to owning a 7-11. I don't think I would have noticed. Am I the only one?

You are not the only one. Someone would have had to explain this to me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

One needs to decide what one stands for in life. This is HS sports in which we open every game by addressing sporting behavior with the coaches and captains.

I really wouldn't feel one bit bad about penalizing a school's team for a racist chant from it's student section. The only thing which would send a stronger message would be to stop and forfeit the contest. That is what is happening in European soccer matches when the crowd gets racial with the players.

Sports is a part of life with one of several purposes being to teach people about how to interact with others. Think about the reason behind having the modern Olympic Games. I have decided to put the principles of character and civil behavior above the competitive aspects of a sporting contest. In the grand scheme, the game and any penalties suffered within it are secondary to the life lessons taken from it.

I think one can take this stand without being the guy who called a T on the crowd for something the game management is taking care of (assuming they take care of this). I will suspend the game, telling the site management that we will resume once the perps are escorted out, before I call the T.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by CountTheBasket

Based on what I'm seeing here I think I might be in the minority here but I would not do a thing about a chant coming out of the student section or anywhere in the crowd. Unless something directly affects someones safety, I do not address fans. The school and students are embarassing themselves and the game administration needs to put a stop to it (as they usually do very quickly).

I don't know if you’re in the minority or not. I bet the kid shooting the FT's knew what it meant. I also bet his teammates did as well. Maybe if you didn’t do anything, it would just go away. Another possibility is later in the game someone uses that as motivation for an unsporting foul, or worse. We are guilty by association as some point in our lives (home team included). By doing nothing it gives the perception your condoning it. Addressing it with the powers that be quickly and discretely is completely reasonable (IMO the right thing to do). Anything above this is a fishing expedition, and not the forum I would choose to teach tolerance. If all three of you have no idea what the reference means you must have never seen a Simpson’s episode, or live in a vacuum.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by j51969

I don't know if you’re in the minority or not. I bet the kid shooting the FT's knew what it meant. I also bet his teammates did as well. Maybe if you didn’t do anything, it would just go away. Another possibility is later in the game someone uses that as motivation for an unsporting foul, or worse. We are guilty by association as some point in our lives (home team included). By doing nothing it gives the perception your condoning it. Addressing it with the powers that be quickly and discretely is completely reasonable (IMO the right thing to do). Anything above this is a fishing expedition, and not the forum I would choose to teach tolerance. If all three of you have no idea what the reference means you must have never seen a Simpson’s episode, or live in a vacuum.

On the Simpsons, it's called a Squishee.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Did you really compare this situation to anything those people were directly involved in? Seriously?

Peace

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No. I compared being called a loose cannon early in a 'cause', which is an attempt to shout down/discourage Nevada's point, to the same negative reactions these persons faced for their 'causes'. 'Causes' that would have been forgotten had they not stuck to it.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Rich

On the Simpsons, it's called a Squishee.

Exactly, if they called it what it was there would be consequences (mostly monetarily).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

No. I compared being called a loose cannon early in a 'cause', which is an attempt to shout down/discourage Nevada's point, to the same negative reactions these persons faced for their 'causes'. 'Causes' that would have been forgotten had they not stuck to it.

I do not think anyone is trying to start a war or assasinate someone on this board for a position. Fine if he wants to T up the crowd, but I do not think they are going to change laws because he is making that attempt or a governor is going to stand in between him if he does so. I think that is a little different, but maybe you will not see that point.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think anyone is trying to start a war or assasinate someone on this board for a position. Fine if he wants to T up the crowd, but I do not think they are going to change laws because he is making that attempt or a governor is going to stand in between him if he does so. I think that is a little different, but maybe you will not see that point.

Peace

I agree.

The comparison is ridiculous, and I think Nevada would agree.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

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No. I compared being called a loose cannon early in a 'cause', which is an attempt to shout down/discourage Nevada's point, to the same negative reactions these persons faced for their 'causes'. 'Causes' that would have been forgotten had they not stuck to it.

Holy.

Crap.

MLK, Jr. was assassinated.

Luther was excommunicated.

Henry was executed.

Parks was arrested.

Nevada had someone disagree with him on an internet forum.

Get real.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

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No. I compared being called a loose cannon early in a 'cause', which is an attempt to shout down/discourage Nevada's point, to the same negative reactions these persons faced for their 'causes'. 'Causes' that would have been forgotten had they not stuck to it.

No one is trying to shout Nevada down.
1. It's not possible.
2. It's not necessary.

We are, however, expressing our disagreement with him. The fact that the disagreement is nearly universal does not mean we're trying to silence him.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Holy.

Crap.

MLK, Jr. was assassinated.

Luther was excommunicated.

Henry was executed.

Parks was arrested.

Nevada had someone disagree with him on an internet forum.

Get real.

Well, it is possible that 3 of the above 4 things have happened to Nevada!

But I'm not going to start any rumors.

[deecee]

What would the reaction be if the student section were chanting the N word?