Never saw this before

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And my state does not make a habit of playing this silly double headers and expecting the officials to do both. There are enough officials around to do two games at a site. And it is hard IMO to dedicate your full energy when you have to split up games (and genders) in the same night for the same officials. That to me contributed to this issue you are talking about IMO.

Peace

How?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

How?

Didn't you say the official usually hang around because they are working another game? There you go.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Didn't you say the official usually hang around because they are working another game? There you go.

Peace

I said sometimes they never leave at all. In this case, the game ended on the opposite end of the gym from their exit. They headed straight out, skirted around the celebrating mob near the division line and were about to turn the corner of the bleachers when I saw them stop and realized what the deal was. Did they sprint to the exit? No, but I don't either. I see some that do.

[JRutledge]

Whatever the ultimate reason, I do not see T'ing up a coach that first should not be seen in the first place because the officials are off the court immediately. And secondly I do not see why a coach being on the court after the game is any of our concern. If it is that much of a concern, here we could post that in the report that we file as apart of the story about the ejection. I would let the state handle it from there. Otherwise I would not be giving a T for simply being on the court after the game is clearly over. Yes our jurisdiction is still present, but for me and most officials I know, we do not spend much time trying to find anything on the court after the game is over. If that is how you want to roll, be my guest.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

...I do not see why a coach being on the court after the game is any of our concern.

It's been established that the game is over, not at the "final buzzer," but when the officials leave the floor (NFHS 2-2-4 and 5-3). Two thoughts on this...

We whine and complain that coaches, players, and fans, don't know the rules. Most everyone believes the myth that the game is over at the final buzzer, but we know that's not true. And here, all the ejected coach had to do was wait a few seconds for the officials to leave before hitting the floor and celebrating. How can we complain about a coach's ignorance when we perpetuate the myths by allowing the coach on the floor? Say what you want about plumbing, but at least this crew let the coach know where they line was, and gave the coach a chance to stay on the right side of it.

Last year, we had a thread started by a coach who thought it wasn't fair that he earned technical fouls "after a game" for questioning the officiating. (His actions led him to be banned from the next game.) A great majority of us came down on this coach, for not knowing the officials' jurisdiction remains as they remain on the court.

And now, we're coming down on this official for doing his job?

[APG]

Short of the coach actually doing something unsporting to the official, you're job is to get off the court...not go seeking out trouble.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

It's been established that the game is over, not at the "final buzzer," but when the officials leave the floor (NFHS 2-2-4 and 5-3). Two thoughts on this...

...

And now, we're coming down on this official for doing his job?

Apples and oranges. In one, the coach was committing an unsportsmanlike act after the horn. In the other, they were not.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Apples and oranges. In one, the coach was committing an unsportsmanlike act after the horn. In the other, they were not.

Assuming you're talking about the OP's sitch, Cam, if an ejected individual comes back to the game, how is that not unsportsmanlike?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

It's been established that the game is over, not at the "final buzzer," but when the officials leave the floor (NFHS 2-2-4 and 5-3). Two thoughts on this...

We whine and complain that coaches, players, and fans, don't know the rules. Most everyone believes the myth that the game is over at the final buzzer, but we know that's not true. And here, all the ejected coach had to do was wait a few seconds for the officials to leave before hitting the floor and celebrating. How can we complain about a coach's ignorance when we perpetuate the myths by allowing the coach on the floor? Say what you want about plumbing, but at least this crew let the coach know where they line was, and gave the coach a chance to stay on the right side of it.

Yes but 10-5, Note says, basically an adult does not have to be around for the rest of the contest. The game is over at this point. So noticing a coach at this time is rather irrelevant at this point. If they are not committing an unsporting act that stands out, why would we care? It is a little more than knowing the rule, it is does it really matter at this point. Now if your state or association states this is to be penalized, OK. But that is not what I am going to do on my own. I just do not see the big deal, sorry.

Originally Posted by bainsey

Last year, we had a thread started by a coach who thought it wasn't fair that he earned technical fouls "after a game" for questioning the officiating. (His actions led him to be banned from the next game.) A great majority of us came down on this coach, for not knowing the officials' jurisdiction remains as they remain on the court.

And now, we're coming down on this official for doing his job?

Complaining about something after the game and being present on the court are two different things. And if this was any other situation where I knew a coach was not following a procedure, that is something I just inform the state. I would not take it upon myself and call a penalty to compound the situation just because I noticed the coach. Again, I would be gone and you would have to tell me about that in the locker room. I would not be doing anything. And then I would let the state decide if they needed to address any other part of this behavior. But it is not our job (at least in my state) to enforce further penalties. If I noticed a coach was in the hall way and not completely away from the court, I would do the very same.

Peace