Technical foul on substitute—mechanics

bballref3966 · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:56am

Let's say a Team A substitute is sitting on the bench wearing his warmup over his jersey. He says something to me that crosses the line and I call a technical foul. Obviously I have to get his number because it counts as one of his five. What is the best way to go about obtaining his number? Ask him to pull up his warmup shirt or tell the coach to ask him?

Also, what is the best way to report this to the table? Let's say his number is 12. "White, 12, technical foul. That counts as one of his five. That is also charged to the coach. Coach, by rule you must sit for the rest of the game."?

Thanks!

bob jenkins · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:00am

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Originally Posted by bballref3966

Let's say a Team A substitute is sitting on the bench wearing his warmup over his jersey. He says something to me that crosses the line and I call a technical foul. Obviously I have to get his number because it counts as one of his five. What is the best way to go about obtaining his number? Ask him to pull up his warmup shirt or tell the coach to ask him?

I'd ask the coach for the number / name.

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Also, what is the best way to report this to the table? Let's say his number is 12. "White, 12, technical foul. That counts as one of his five. That is also charged to the coach. Coach, by rule you must sit for the rest of the game."?

Thanks!

Table doesn't care about this

Table might not need this reminder (esp. if kid is still wearing his warmups -- it's unlikely he will play enough to get 5 fouls)

bballref3966 · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:15pm

I didn't mean to include the part about the coach having to sit (obviously I would let him know).

But why not let the table know to mark the T to the coach, as well? To avoid accidentally marking two team fouls?

Thanks Bob.

Raymond · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:24pm

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Originally Posted by bballref3966

I didn't mean to include the part about the coach having to sit (obviously I would let him know).

But why not let the table know to mark the T to the coach, as well? To avoid accidentally marking two team fouls?

Thanks Bob.

It's not a direct T to the coach, it's an Indirect T. Important distinction.

bballref3966 · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's not a direct T to the coach, it's an Indirect T. Important distinction.

I understand. I guess that makes sense, though the scorebook has three spaces for technicals on the head coach so I figured we should convey that. But I appreciate the help. Just getting my feet wet.

Raymond · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:44pm

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Originally Posted by bballref3966

I understand. I guess that makes sense, though the scorebook has three spaces for technicals on the head coach so I figured we should convey that. But I appreciate the help. Just getting my feet wet.

The coach is allowed a combination of 2 Directs T's, or if at least one of his T's is an Indirect, a combination of 3 T's.

bob jenkins · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:45pm

You need to read the table to decide how much information to give them. If you give them extra, it's probably better to do so "face-to-face" at the table, rather than from the reporting area.

You should be able to remember how many Ts (D or I) the coach has.

bballref3966 · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 17, 2014, 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The coach is allowed a combination of 2 Directs T's, or if at least one of his T's is an Indirect, a combination of 3 T's.

I am aware. Which is why I thought it would be the proper mechanic to tell the scorer when an indirect T needs to be marked on the coach. But I like what you all are saying and I appreciate it.

Nevadaref · #9 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 18, 2014, 02:21am

I never report indirect Ts to the scorer. I just inform the coach.

Camron Rust · #10 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:07am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I never report indirect Ts to the scorer. I just inform the coach.

I always report them to the scorer. Sort of hard not to since what is being reported is the direct T on the person who committed the infraction and it just gets recorded against the coach.

Nevadaref · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 18, 2014, 06:27am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I always report them to the scorer. Sort of hard not to since what is being reported is the direct T on the person who committed the infraction and it just gets recorded against the coach.

In that case let me clarify. I always report the direct T, but never mention the indirect. I simply inform the coach of his indirect and loss of the box.

BillyMac · #12 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 18, 2014, 08:46am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I always report the direct T, but never mention the indirect.

We've got some good scorekeepers here. They're good, but not that good. In most cases, if we didn't report the indirect, it wouldn't get recorded.

Nevadaref · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:10am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

We've got some good scorekeepers here. They're good, but not that good. In most cases, if we didn't report the indirect, it wouldn't get recorded.

Think about this--do indirect Ts really need to be recorded? If the direct Ts are recorded, there is a record of when an indirect occurred, right?

BillyMac · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:24am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Do indirect Ts really need to be recorded? If the direct Ts are recorded, there is a record of when an indirect occurred, right?

Then do team fouls really need to be recorded? If the personal fouls (per half) are recorded, isn't that enough to figure out when the bonus occurs? Just add them up.

Does a running score really need to be recorded? If the player points are recorded, isn't that enough to figure out who wins the game? Just add them up.

Plus, "the scorer shall record ... notify an official immediately when ... the third technical foul is charged to the head coach."

If the scorer is supposed to notify the officials when a third technical foul (direct and indirect) is charged to the head coach, shouldn't he have that information recorded for easy reference?

SNIPERBBB · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:14am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

Then do team fouls really need to be recorded? If the personal fouls (per half) are recorded, isn't that enough to figure out when the bonus occurs? Just add them up.

Does a running score really need to be recorded? If the player points are recorded, isn't that enough to figure out who wins the game? Just add them up.

Plus, "the scorer shall record ... notify an official immediately when ... the third technical foul is charged to the head coach."

If the scorer is supposed to notify the officials when a third technical foul (direct and indirect) is charged to the head coach, shouldn't he have that information recorded for easy reference?

Scorer is required to keep the running total.

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