Never saw this before

just another ref · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:20pm

For the record: Guys can say "I wouldn't have seen the coach" if they want, but that was not the point of the discussion. They did see her. That is a given, and it wasn't because they lingered after the game. My question was what if you did see her. Imagine that you literally bumped into her on your way out and her way in if you must, but she was there and very much visible so that is where the discussion begins.

Another twist. Around here, game assignment are near %100 girl/boy doubleheaders. It is not unheard of for the officials to not leave the gym at all between games.

JRutledge · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:24pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref

For the record: Guys can say "I wouldn't have seen the coach" if they want, but that was not the point of the discussion. They did see her. That is a given, and it wasn't because they lingered after the game. My question was what if you did see her. Imagine that you literally bumped into her on your way out and her way in if you must, but she was there and very much visible so that is where the discussion begins.

Another twist. Around here, game assignment are near %100 girl/boy doubleheaders. It is not unheard of for the officials to not leave the gym at all between games.

Even if they did, so. Why would you want to even go there? Why would you even want to trouble, trouble? I see a lot of things I do not penalize immeditely. It is not hard to do.

And one more reasons I am glad I live in a state that has common sense.

Peace

SCalScoreKeeper · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:36pm

This is a state association issue-here if a coach is ejected they are to immediately leave the gym and not allowed to have contact with their team until they leave said gym.Said coach is also barred from coaching for 1 game.

Common Question-Does this rule apply to a varsity head coach who gets ejected while sitting on the JV bench and serving as an assistant? Yes-the varsity head coach must serve his JV suspension before he can coach varsity again.Penalty is immediate forfeiture of the contest for not leaving the gym or being in attendance while suspended from coaching.

asdf · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:43pm

We get a bad rap enough as it its without going out and earning said bad rap.

Nevadaref · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 19, 2014, 05:00am

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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

This is a state association issue-here if a coach is ejected they are to immediately leave the gym and not allowed to have contact with their team until they leave said gym.Said coach is also barred from coaching for 1 game.

Common Question-Does this rule apply to a varsity head coach who gets ejected while sitting on the JV bench and serving as an assistant? Yes-the varsity head coach must serve his JV suspension before he can coach varsity again.Penalty is immediate forfeiture of the contest for not leaving the gym or being in attendance while suspended from coaching.

Please post documentation of that policy as well as if it is only particular to your local league or Section or if it for the entire CIF.

just another ref · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 19, 2014, 12:02am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

Even if they did, so. Why would you want to even go there? Why would you even want to trouble, trouble?

I wouldn't, but they did, and it was very interesting to watch.

JRutledge · #7 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 19, 2014, 12:19am

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Originally Posted by just another ref

I wouldn't, but they did, and it was very interesting to watch.

OK, they did. So what.

And my state does not make a habit of playing this silly double headers and expecting the officials to do both. There are enough officials around to do two games at a site. And it is hard IMO to dedicate your full energy when you have to split up games (and genders) in the same night for the same officials. That to me contributed to this issue you are talking about IMO.

Peace

just another ref · #8 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 19, 2014, 12:27am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

And my state does not make a habit of playing this silly double headers and expecting the officials to do both. There are enough officials around to do two games at a site. And it is hard IMO to dedicate your full energy when you have to split up games (and genders) in the same night for the same officials. That to me contributed to this issue you are talking about IMO.

Peace

How?

JRutledge · #9 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 19, 2014, 12:28am

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Originally Posted by just another ref

How?

Didn't you say the official usually hang around because they are working another game? There you go.

Peace

just another ref · #10 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 19, 2014, 12:41am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

Didn't you say the official usually hang around because they are working another game? There you go.

Peace

I said sometimes they never leave at all. In this case, the game ended on the opposite end of the gym from their exit. They headed straight out, skirted around the celebrating mob near the division line and were about to turn the corner of the bleachers when I saw them stop and realized what the deal was. Did they sprint to the exit? No, but I don't either. I see some that do.

APG · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:34pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref

For the record: Guys can say "I wouldn't have seen the coach" if they want, but that was not the point of the discussion. They did see her. That is a given, and it wasn't because they lingered after the game. My question was what if you did see her. Imagine that you literally bumped into her on your way out and her way in if you must, but she was there and very much visible so that is where the discussion begins.

Another twist. Around here, game assignment are near %100 girl/boy doubleheaders. It is not unheard of for the officials to not leave the gym at all between games.

The coach would freakin' moonwalk in front of me for all I care...short of the coach actually doing something unsporting, I'm not giving a T for what you presented in your original post.

Camron Rust · #12 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:56am

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Originally Posted by just another ref

For the record: Guys can say "I wouldn't have seen the coach" if they want, but that was not the point of the discussion. They did see her. That is a given, and it wasn't because they lingered after the game. My question was what if you did see her. Imagine that you literally bumped into her on your way out and her way in if you must, but she was there and very much visible so that is where the discussion begins.

Another twist. Around here, game assignment are near %100 girl/boy doubleheaders. It is not unheard of for the officials to not leave the gym at all between games.

I still wouldn't see her.

And if I did, the penalty would not be a T. If a coach who has been ejected is in the gym at some later point before my jurisdiction is over, I'd put it in the ejection report and let the state deal with it. If I heard correctly, they have forfeited games in such cases....not necessarily a post game celebration like this but before the game ended.

OKREF · #13 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 19, 2014, 10:33am

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Originally Posted by just another ref

For the record: Guys can say "I wouldn't have seen the coach" if they want, but that was not the point of the discussion. They did see her. That is a given, and it wasn't because they lingered after the game. My question was what if you did see her. Imagine that you literally bumped into her on your way out and her way in if you must, but she was there and very much visible so that is where the discussion begins.

Another twist. Around here, game assignment are near %100 girl/boy doubleheaders. It is not unheard of for the officials to not leave the gym at all between games.

Even if I looked right at the coach, I didn't see her! Why go looking for trouble when it can be avoided. This seems to me that these guys were just trying to say I'm I charge here, and throw their power around.

Rich · #14 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 19, 2014, 10:35am

I'm not sure how I'd see her there celebrating when I'm jogging off the floor.

Adam · #15 (**permalink**) Sun Jan 19, 2014, 11:19am

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Originally Posted by just another ref

For the record: Guys can say "I wouldn't have seen the coach" if they want, but that was not the point of the discussion. They did see her. That is a given, and it wasn't because they lingered after the game. My question was what if you did see her. Imagine that you literally bumped into her on your way out and her way in if you must, but she was there and very much visible so that is where the discussion begins.

Another twist. Around here, game assignment are near %100 girl/boy doubleheaders. It is not unheard of for the officials to not leave the gym at all between games.

Honestly, unless I trip over her on my way off the court, I'm not doing anything.