10 seconds back court violation?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Without a shot clock, I likely would not come in to call the violation at all, because it's unlikely that I checked the game clock when the ball was first possessed inbounds.

However, if the clock was stopped for time-out with 1:00 remaining, I suppose it's possible that I would notice this and have some definite knowledge about when the violation should occur. In that rare case, I would come get it at 0:49. But I think that's extremely unlikely.

I could see doing this with a shot clock, depending on who my partner was. No way I'm doing it without one, though, with only a 1 second lag. Until the Fed specifically allows us to use the clock for violations (probably about the time they add the shot clock in CO), I'm not going to step in on this.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Adam

I could see doing this with a shot clock, depending on who my partner was. No way I'm doing it without one, though, with only a 1 second lag.

As I said, it would be extremely rare (and in fact, I've NEVER done this in 21 years of officiating), but why exactly wouldn't you call this?

Everybody can see 1:00 on the clock after the time-out. You can see the ball possessed immediately inbounds. And you can see the clock hit 0:49. It's obviously a violation. It's just as obvious as if you had a shot clock, except that it's not on a separate clock.

If you would do it with a shot clock, I don't see the rationale for not doing it without one.

[MD Longhorn]

I'm wondering why the off-official is watching the clock instead of the players in his area... but that's just me.

[CountTheBasket]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm wondering why the off-official is watching the clock instead of the players in his area... but that's just me.

I also have a time believing I would notice this as the off official...that being said if somehow I do notice and I glance at my partner and he has a count I'm going to trust him and let him do his job....if he is off in dream land with no visible count then I *might* go get it depending on the scenario as a whole.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm wondering why the off-official is watching the clock instead of the players in his area... but that's just me.

One of my big pet peeves: Assuming that officials can only look at one thing at one time and that being aware of something else means they're looking there at the expense of their primary responsibilities.

Really? We can't multi-task? We don't have peripheral vision?

[CountTheBasket]

Originally Posted by Rich

One of my big pet peeves: Assuming that officials can only look at one thing at one time and that being aware of something else means they're looking there at the expense of their primary responsibilities.

Really? We can't multi-task? We don't have peripheral vision?

No, I agree that as the lead I would be aware of the time at inbound, glance to see the clock start, but just don't think realistically I would be giving it enough of my attention to notice when it dropped below :50 secs...maybe I'm wrong though and this is something I need to add to my "Work On List."

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich

One of my big pet peeves: Assuming that officials can only look at one thing at one time and that being aware of something else means they're looking there at the expense of their primary responsibilities.

Really? We can't multi-task? We don't have peripheral vision?

Perhaps this is regional, but in the vast majority of my gyms, looking at the clock during play is a conscious act - not a peripheral vision act. Not something you can glance at even (again ... most gyms) - it's something you have to turn your head up and away to see, most of the time.

[APG]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm wondering why the off-official is watching the clock instead of the players in his area... but that's just me.

It's not an either or situation...you can glance at the clock and not spare the expensive of off-ball officiating. It's not different then glancing at the clock as an off-ball official when a whistle is blown.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by APG

It's not an either or situation...you can glance at the clock and not spare the expensive of off-ball officiating. It's not different then glancing at the clock as an off-ball official when a whistle is blown.

It is different because you're looking away from play to do it during a live ball. Unless you're counting to yourself, how do you even glance up at the right time to see the violation?

Either way, you can either be looking at the clock or looking at play, but not both. Every split second spent on the clock is a split second not looking at your primary.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

It is different because you're looking away from play to do it during a live ball. Unless you're counting to yourself, how do you even glance up at the right time to see the violation?

Either way, you can either be looking at the clock or looking at play, but not both. Every split second spent on the clock is a split second not looking at your primary.

I'm stunned that people think their attention has to be *so* undivided.

How do you ever get an illegal screen in your primary when you're on the ball? I mean, every split second you're watching that screen you're not watching the ball handler.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

It is different because you're looking away from play to do it during a live ball. Unless you're counting to yourself, how do you even glance up at the right time to see the violation?

Either way, you can either be looking at the clock or looking at play, but not both. Every split second spent on the clock is a split second not looking at your primary.

There are times when the "competitive matchup" just isn't that "competitive" and you can steal a glance at the clock. (There are also times when you can't look away).

[APG]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

It is different because you're looking away from play to do it during a live ball. Unless you're counting to yourself, how do you even glance up at the right time to see the violation?

Either way, you can either be looking at the clock or looking at play, but not both. Every split second spent on the clock is a split second not looking at your primary.

It's no different in that we should be paying as much attention to the players during a dead ball as we should a live ball. But it doesn't change the fact that (independent of whatever you would call a violation or not here), it's not that difficult (assuming there are two scoreboards, one on each side), to glance up and see the clock...especially if you're an off-ball official.

[MD Longhorn]

Very odd responses.

Let me ask this. My partner is walking up with the dribbler ... and has a count. I have pretty much everyone else until they get closer. I agree that it's certainly possible for me to stop watching my primary and glance over at the clock. But why am I doing this? Are we now advocating that it's part of our responsibility to babysit our partners? Unless the clock just happens to be in my peripheral vision, I see no need to make any undue effort to glance at the clock at this moment.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm wondering why the off-official is watching the clock instead of the players in his area... but that's just me.

If you cant do this and officiate your primary at the same time, you are limiting your ability to spot milfs too.