10 seconds back court violation?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

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Scrapper,

Wow! Are there other timing violations that you would step in and handle for your partner? For example, would you blow a closely guarded count out from under your partner if the shot clock indicated that the player had been closely guarded for 6 seconds? Throw in at 6 seconds?

I don't mean to ask these questions in an argumentative manner. I guess I'm just trying to understand how important this particular call is to you verses other violations?????

It's not the importance of the call -- it's an obvious, visible error.

I just don't understand why it took so long to use the shot clock instead of a visible count in order to get these violations.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's not the importance of the call -- it's an obvious, visible error.

I just don't understand why it took so long to use the shot clock instead of a visible count in order to get these violations.

Table competency.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Rich

I just don't understand why it took so long to use the shot clock instead of a visible count in order to get these violations.

As a practical matter, officials have been using the shot clock instead of their visible count for years. It's just in the rulebook now.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

As a practical matter, officials have been using the shot clock instead of their visible count for years. It's just in the rulebook now.

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Scrapper,

I see your and Rich's point about the shot clock. We don't use shot clock here but it was clear that the game clock was at 1:00 for resumption of play and was at 48.7 when it stopped for a granted T.O.

If no shot clock, but game clock did start properly - at what point, would you have blown this violation for your partner? 49.9? 49.0? Would you treat this situation the same as if you had had a shot clock?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

If no shot clock, but game clock did start properly - at what point, would you have blown this violation for your partner? 49.9? 49.0? Would you treat this situation the same as if you had had a shot clock?

Without a shot clock, I likely would not come in to call the violation at all, because it's unlikely that I checked the game clock when the ball was first possessed inbounds.

However, if the clock was stopped for time-out with 1:00 remaining, I suppose it's possible that I would notice this and have some definite knowledge about when the violation should occur. In that rare case, I would come get it at 0:49. But I think that's extremely unlikely.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Without a shot clock, I likely would not come in to call the violation at all, because it's unlikely that I checked the game clock when the ball was first possessed inbounds.

However, if the clock was stopped for time-out with 1:00 remaining, I suppose it's possible that I would notice this and have some definite knowledge about when the violation should occur. In that rare case, I would come get it at 0:49. But I think that's extremely unlikely.

I could see doing this with a shot clock, depending on who my partner was. No way I'm doing it without one, though, with only a 1 second lag. Until the Fed specifically allows us to use the clock for violations (probably about the time they add the shot clock in CO), I'm not going to step in on this.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Adam

I could see doing this with a shot clock, depending on who my partner was. No way I'm doing it without one, though, with only a 1 second lag.

As I said, it would be extremely rare (and in fact, I've NEVER done this in 21 years of officiating), but why exactly wouldn't you call this?

Everybody can see 1:00 on the clock after the time-out. You can see the ball possessed immediately inbounds. And you can see the clock hit 0:49. It's obviously a violation. It's just as obvious as if you had a shot clock, except that it's not on a separate clock.

If you would do it with a shot clock, I don't see the rationale for not doing it without one.

[MD Longhorn]

I'm wondering why the off-official is watching the clock instead of the players in his area... but that's just me.