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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 09:10pm
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How to correct poor coaching behavior?

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I know it's a tall order with all these out of control coaches on television, but I want some input on how to deal with else irrational people. The Baylor woman's coach who ripped off her jacket a year or two ago and the Iowa men's coach pretty much going psycho the other night.

We had a coach just on us from the get go. He is known around these parts as a very difficult coach (politically correct, insert different tavern language). He as in my ear during a first half free throw about how we have to call it both ways, I replied its 8 to 8 what more do you want? I added we are working hard out here for both teams. Horn blows a while later, it's now half time. We wait for the teams to clear as he is barking across the court. We then are escorted to our locker room by the AD. He proceeds to come into our hallway with more colorful language! I told the AD that he needs to get his emotion in check.

He was better in the second half, don't know if the AD talked with him or not. His team had a clean block on a fast break and a held ball thereafter, the other coach loses his marbles and gets a T for being very animated and some choice language (no swear words, but out of line). It was a non conference game and my partner and I joked at our local tavern about whether or not we would get the call back next year. The coach that was T'd told my partner that we called a great game and that he was out of line. That was very refreshing.

You see these people at all levels. I am a realist, and know I probably will not change these crazies, but I want them to behave as well. What do you recommend to achieve this? As my previous posts have suggested, I am a sportsmanship stickler, almost to a fault at times.

Every area has "that" coach, how do you handle them?

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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 09:16pm
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Warn, then Whack! You can't let it continue.

"Coach, I've heard enough."

For me, handling coaches came with experience and maturity.

You promote what you allow.
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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 09:34pm
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Yeah, put the onus on them to control their behavior. Early.

If they don't, they'll pay the price for it. The Iowa coach was tossed and suspended for a game by the Big Ten. He will miss his own bobblehead night because he acted like a child.
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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 09:42pm
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Responses to coaches

BigT and I have been talking about ways to respond to difficult coaches. Perhaps we could get people to give a difficult scenario that they have had and a good response that you could practice or role play before hand with a buddy so that it just comes second nature in a game situation. You veterans and your experimentation can be very beneficial for us rookies. An example would be "look at the foul count. It is 8 to 1." Response insert here.
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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 09:43pm
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The key is to penalize it and that will put a stop to it. You gave the coach enough leeway during the FTs. When he barked across the court at halftime was the proper time to whack. It would most likely have prevented the hallway situation, which is an obvious whack!
I'm disturbed that your crew passed on penalizing these instances and then T'd the opposing coach. How do you think that looks?
You need to take care of business with the unsporting behavior. If you allow one coach to misbehave the other will think that he can too.

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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 09:52pm
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An example would be "look at the foul count. It is 8 to 1." Response insert here.
"Let me change that for you, coach." Tweet. "Now it's 9 to 1."
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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 10:14pm
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"Let me change that for you, coach." Tweet. "Now it's 9 to 1."
Eh, I'd rather see the official ignore this statement the first time, and address it the second time. Something like "We are not discussing the foul count coach" would do the trick. After that, whack.
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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 10:17pm
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... An example would be "look at the foul count. It is 8 to 1." Response insert here.
I believe last year at the NCAA-Men's level that was supposed to almost be an automatic T.

Dr. Jake Bell, who has supervised the Atlantic Sun for years, and more recently took over the SEC, says he expects his officials to give this standard response, "Coach, we are aware". (heard this in camp from him, I do not work in the A-Sun or SEC )

I once told an a-hole type coach, "that's not our fault".
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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 10:46pm
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I believe last year at the NCAA-Men's level that was supposed to almost be an automatic T.

Dr. Jake Bell, who has supervised the Atlantic Sun for years, and more recently took over the SEC, says he expects his officials to give this standard response, "Coach, we are aware". (heard this in camp from him, I do not work in the A-Sun or SEC )

I once told an a-hole type coach, "that's not our fault".
Maybe that was a supervisor driven thing, which I would be OK with. But I do not recall everyone taking that stance last year. Then again I was not working D1 either.

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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 10:53pm
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In response to the foul count statement, I have a simple response. I don't care how many team fouls they have. Its not my job to call fouls in an even number.

As to the OP, it sounds like you let it get out of hand. General rule of thumb. Don't respond to comments unless you need to fix a behavior. I would have t'd that coach at halftime, in the hallway.
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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 10:59pm
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In response to the foul count statement, I have a simple response. I don't care how many team fouls they have. Its not my job to call fouls in an even number.

As to the OP, it sounds like you let it get out of hand. General rule of thumb. Don't respond to comments unless you need to fix a behavior. I would have t'd that coach at halftime, in the hallway.
I just tell them, "Stop fouling" and leave it at that. If they want to be a smart ass, I can be one too. And that is actually a good way to make the point you do not care and not your job. At some point we have to stop worrying about how coaches take everything. If they want the foul count to be different, they are going to have to find another scapegoat.

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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 11:03pm
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When a coach brings up the foul count, I ignore the first one. If he says it again, I shut it down quickly with, "Coach, we aren't going to talk about the foul count."
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We had a coach just on us from the get go. He is known around these parts as a very difficult coach (politically correct, insert different tavern language). He as in my ear during a first half free throw about how we have to call it both ways, I replied its 8 to 8 what more do you want? I added we are working hard out here for both teams. Horn blows a while later, it's now half time. We wait for the teams to clear as he is barking across the court. We then are escorted to our locker room by the AD. He proceeds to come into our hallway with more colorful language! I told the AD that he needs to get his emotion in check.

He was better in the second half, don't know if the AD talked with him or not. His team had a clean block on a fast break and a held ball thereafter, the other coach loses his marbles and gets a T for being very animated and some choice language (no swear words, but out of line).

As my previous posts have suggested, I am a sportsmanship stickler, almost to a fault at times.
So, the blue part describes a..."coach [who] loses his marbles and gets a T for being very animated and some choice language."

Yet you and your partner consider the red part neither "very animated" or an example of a "coach [who] loses his marbles" and spews "more colorful language" at you and your P (the halftime hallway incident) worthy of a T?

Your course of action to get this guy under control is to "[tell] the AD that he needs to get (his coach's) emotions in check"?

Your post is titled "How to correct poor coaching behavior?" You describe yourself as a "sportsmanship stickler."

Become a sportsmanship enforcer and you will quickly discover how to "correct poor coaching behavior."

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Eh, I'd rather see the official ignore this statement the first time, and address it the second time. Something like "We are not discussing the foul count coach" would do the trick. After that, whack.
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Old Wed Jan 08, 2014, 11:29pm
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Comrades,

I know it's a tall order with all these out of control coaches on television, but I want some input on how to deal with else irrational people. The Baylor woman's coach who ripped off her jacket a year or two ago and the Iowa men's coach pretty much going psycho the other night.

We had a coach just on us from the get go. He is known around these parts as a very difficult coach (politically correct, insert different tavern language). He as in my ear during a first half free throw about how we have to call it both ways, I replied its 8 to 8 what more do you want? I added we are working hard out here for both teams. Horn blows a while later, it's now half time. We wait for the teams to clear as he is barking across the court. We then are escorted to our locker room by the AD. He proceeds to come into our hallway with more colorful language! I told the AD that he needs to get his emotion in check.

He was better in the second half, don't know if the AD talked with him or not. His team had a clean block on a fast break and a held ball thereafter, the other coach loses his marbles and gets a T for being very animated and some choice language (no swear words, but out of line). It was a non conference game and my partner and I joked at our local tavern about whether or not we would get the call back next year. The coach that was T'd told my partner that we called a great game and that he was out of line. That was very refreshing.

You see these people at all levels. I am a realist, and know I probably will not change these crazies, but I want them to behave as well. What do you recommend to achieve this? As my previous posts have suggested, I am a sportsmanship stickler, almost to a fault at times.

Every area has "that" coach, how do you handle them?
Getting them to behave is simple. Call the T. If it doesn't work, call another one; that'll take care of the problem every time.

Frankly, if you didn't get him in the first half, you should have got him for his halftime tirade. You're fully responsible for his continued misbahavior. Had you taken care of it earlier, you likely wouldn't have had the problem with the other coach.

Also, I would never respond to "call it both ways" to a reference to the foul count. It only perpetuates the impression that an imbalanced foul count means anything whatsoever regarding the officiating.

Depending on the progression, "call it both ways" either gets ignored, warned, or stung. It never gets a "reply" from me.
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