Would you call a T here?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by frezer11

The start of your post is "Definitely a Technical," but then you immediately change to reconsider and reevalute the amount of contact. One or the other!!

Why do you think it has to be one or the other? Can't we penalize the poor behavior of the player for his non-contact expression of displeasure, but then also evaluate whether his claim about illegal contact during the attempt had any merit despite its improper delivery?

[jeremy341a]

And now the rest of the story.

This took place towards the end of the first half with H up 20+

Coach asked me what he said. I told him and he give me a grin like I was a moron and said "well he did get fouled."

When the player returned later in the game. He did apologize.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Coach asked me what he said.

It's not WHAT he said...it's HOW he said it.

[pfan1981]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

It's not WHAT he said...it's HOW he said it.

Right on the money RookieDude, I had to fill out our online form for "loss of coaching box", AKA Technical. As I was putting in the details, it sounded like the guy didn't deserve it. However, it's HOW he said it.

[ColeTops25]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

And now the rest of the story.

This took place towards the end of the first half with H up 20+

Coach asked me what he said. I told him and he give me a grin like I was a moron and said "well he did get fouled."

When the player returned later in the game. He did apologize.

Earlier in the season I called a player for a traveling violation. I was the T and turned to become the L. The player looked directly at me and "bounced" the ball should height OOB, neither in my direction or my partner's direction. I T'd him. Coach asks me what he did. I said "coach, he looked at me and bounced the ball OOB, out of spite because he didn't like the call." He says, "yeah, but how high did the ball go?" I said "shoulder height." He says, "you're gonna T him for that?" Yup. As mentioned previously, it's not necessarily the action to me, it's the way the action is delivered.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ColeTops25

... Coach asks me what he did. I said "coach, he looked at me and bounced the ball OOB, out of spite because he didn't like the call." He says, "yeah, but how high did the ball go?" I said "shoulder height." He says, "you're gonna T him for that?" Yup. As mentioned previously, it's not necessarily the action to me, it's the way the action is delivered.

My answer would have been, "it doesn't matter", followed by him looking at the back of my head.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ColeTops25

Earlier in the season I called a player for a traveling violation. I was the T and turned to become the L. The player looked directly at me and "bounced" the ball should height OOB, neither in my direction or my partner's direction. I T'd him. Coach asks me what he did. I said "coach, he looked at me and bounced the ball OOB, out of spite because he didn't like the call." He says, "yeah, but how high did the ball go?" I said "shoulder height." He says, "you're gonna T him for that?" Yup. As mentioned previously, it's not necessarily the action to me, it's the way the action is delivered.

No offense intended here, but imho, this conversation went on FAR longer than it should have.

[ColeTops25]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

No offense intended here, but imho, this conversation went on FAR longer than it should have.

Right. I gave the coach 15 seconds of my time. Interpersonal skills go a long way in this avocation.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ColeTops25

Right. I gave the coach 15 seconds of my time. Interpersonal skills go a long way in this avocation.

15 seconds is a very long time... but that said, if he's discussing something, 15 seconds can be fine. If he's kvetching, cut him off.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

15 seconds is a very long time... but that said, if he's discussing something, 15 seconds can be fine. If he's kvetching, cut him off.

Exactly. And my portion of he 15 seconds will consist of more than 10 words. But I also have a cut-off point where if the coach asks a question, and I answer it, he doesn't get to debate my answer or repeat the question.

This past weekend I had to tell a coach, "I already answered your question". The first time nicely, the 2nd very tersely and was the last interaction I had with the coach the rest of the game. Of course, earlier in the game, this coach complained about a offensive push-off after I called a defensive foul on his player. When my response was "I'll look out for it", his response was "it's too late now". So this jack-wagon had already run out of rope by the second interaction.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why do you think it has to be one or the other? Can't we penalize the poor behavior of the player for his non-contact expression of displeasure, but then also evaluate whether his claim about illegal contact during the attempt had any merit despite its improper delivery?

Exactly.