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When the obvious call isn't the right call
Another example last night of MLB umps making the right call instead of the obvious call.
Reds/Cubs game last night, bottom 2. Throw beats Fox to second by at least 6 feet. F4 makes the obligatory dip with the glove but misses the tag. Fox slid straight into the bag, nothing special. SAFE. Hopefully this attitude will filter down to the amateurs. |
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Is there a point to this post? Not sure I even understand what you are trying to say.
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The 2nd baseman put his glove on top of the bag and pulled it away when runner arrived. Not a swipe and miss. Obvious, easy call.
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Saw the play. It was both the obvious call and the right call. No question about it.
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The only thing most of us have advocated is if the throw clearly beats a runner and there is a decent tag applied along with a slide directly into the tag, we are going to give the benefit of the doubt to the defense. Usually at the amateur level we are not in perfect position to make a call like this (I did see the play BTW) like the Major League Umpire had. Often that call is made from 30 yards away and from a totally different angle that an umpire in the Major Leagues would have. This would not apply if a slide was away from the fielder or was a good effort to avoid the tag. This is quite a different situation from what Don is trying to make. Actually he does not even understand what he is advocating. Not sure you do either Bob. Peace
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The example you cite doesn't fit the parameters of the debate. I know of no "obvious call" advocate who would disagree that safe was the right and obvious call to make. Thanks for playing. Better try next time.
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how are obvious plays now chainging the face of umpiring??? is the hobgoblin of little minds now working n some posters here? haha
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Before replays the tv audience didn't know if there was a tag and neither did the stadium crowd. The expected call was "out" Only after replay was it an "obvious safe" And here are some thoughts from some of the other "obvious call" advocates Quote:
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My OP very similar. Reds F4 receives ball before Fox starts slide. F4 has glove stationary in front of bag (high) well before the touch of the bag.
Before replays the tv audience didn't know if there was a tag and neither did the stadium crowd. The expected call was "out" Only after replay was it an "obvious safe" Watch it again, tag was NOT in front of bag. It was on top (over) of the bag. Never in front.
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2. Please indicate where I gave a personal opinion of what my call would be in my situation that you posted. RIF 3. No one's attitude will be changed by a play not comparable to what was originally being discussed. 4. You remain amusing.
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I think that Don is in need of either some medication or liquid refresment from the local tavern.
I also saw the play: obvious call - right call!
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