State Playoffs - Call or No Call

[Blindolbat]

A couple tough calls here.
I think I've got a charge initially and then even if I don't call anything there, I don't see how I could call the shooting foul.

[OrStBballRef]

That was in our 4A tournament.....I've got a PC based on the video. I had defender there first and she was backing up when the contact occurred. There needed to be a whistle on that play. Trail needed to put a whistle on that.

Not counting that play I do have a bump on the shot and I don't have a problem with shooting two....

[Terrapins Fan]

I'd rather call the PC foul and let it end in a tie, than to call the 2nd foul. JMO.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I'd rather call the PC foul and let it end in a tie, than to call the 2nd foul. JMO.

I'd rather get the call right, and if I (or the crew) miss one, get the next one right without worrying about the score or whether the game will (or won't) end in a tie.

This is the second time in the past couple of days that someone has intimated (or I have inferred) that the score and time of the game should influence our calls or the "benefit of the doubt." I disagree strongly.

[Nevadaref]

I hope that the announcer was wrong and that the shot by #30 Red was ruled a 2, not a 3.
The collision along the sideline is a clear PC, but if I recall my chats with Camron correctly OR is 2-man for all games, so the Trail who is table side would be straight-lined and the Lead would have to come get this.
The Lead is then willing to call across and outside of the lane for marginal contact that results in game-winning FTs. I don't believe that the defender should have been penalized there.

[OKREF]

I've got a PC

[APG]

I've got a 3 man call there

[Camron Rust]

I've got either a hold or a block (take your pick) on red 30 long before the PC collision. If not for that, the dribbler would have been able to turn to avoid the 2nd defender.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I hope that the announcer was wrong and that the shot by #30 Red was ruled a 2, not a 3.
The collision along the sideline is a clear PC, but if I recall my chats with Camron correctly OR is 2-man for all games, so the Trail who is table side would be straight-lined and the Lead would have to come get this.
The Lead is then willing to call across and outside of the lane for marginal contact that results in game-winning FTs. I don't believe that the defender should have been penalized there.

I still work a fair amount of 2-man and I know that as the L I would hope I'd come get this.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Rich

I still work a fair amount of 2-man and I know that as the L I would hope I'd come get this.

Are you talking about the crash or the shooting foul?

My criticism of the Lead isn't that he called a shooting foul, but that he was willing to come out of his PCA to penalize that contact yet wasn't willing to come save the day on the much more obvious crash.

My guess as to why is that he ran all the way down to the endline prematurely during this action. That positioning put him far away from the sideline crash and made him reluctant to whistle. He should have been FTLE at the time of the crash and then hustled down to the normal close-down Lead position should the dribbler have gotten past the defenders cleanly.

One can only set up early and receive the play as Lead in 3-man.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Are you talking about the crash or the shooting foul?

The crash. And I don't see why the T couldn't have gotten that, despite the inferior angle. We make those calls all the time.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My criticism of the Lead isn't that he called a shooting foul, but that he was willing to come out of his PCA to penalize that contact yet wasn't willing to come save the day on the much more obvious crash.

I think it is a matter if distance. At best, he was 50' from the sideline crash...at the far sideline.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My guess as to why is that he ran all the way down to the endline prematurely during this action.

How do you come to that conclusion. He is only visible at that spot just as the shot goes up. There is nothing in the video that tells you how long he was there.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That positioning put him far away from the sideline crash and made him reluctant to whistle. He should have been FTLE at the time of the crash and then hustled down to the normal close-down Lead position should the dribbler have gotten past the defenders cleanly.

One can only set up early and receive the play as Lead in 3-man.

There seemed to be a lot of players between anywhere he might have been and the crash. Perhaps he just didn't have a clear view.


The inconsistencies in what is expected of him on this play are just silly. Why is it that he should have reached 50+ feet with perhaps a questionable view to make one call but going 20 feet with a clear view is bad??? Seems more like a case of armchair QB than a realistic and fair analysis.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I hope that the announcer was wrong and that the shot by #30 Red was ruled a 2, not a 3.
The collision along the sideline is a clear PC, but if I recall my chats with Camron correctly OR is 2-man for all games, so the Trail who is table side would be straight-lined and the Lead would have to come get this.
The Lead is then willing to call across and outside of the lane for marginal contact that results in game-winning FTs. I don't believe that the defender should have been penalized there.

It was a 3, the line she steps on is the college 3. There is an inside line.