Jump Stop + Foul

[Raymond]

I am liberal with continuous but not for jump stops.

[OKREF]

In my corner of Rome, we have been instructed to call this a travel. A jump stop in which the feet don't land simultaneously is a travel. This is from our state association.

[APG]

Originally Posted by OKREF

In my corner of Rome, we have been instructed to call this a travel. A jump stop in which the feet don't land simultaneously is a travel.

That is simultaneous in my books.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by APG

That is simultaneous in my books.

Mine too.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by OKREF

In my corner of Rome, we have been instructed to call this a travel. A jump stop in which the feet don't land simultaneously is a travel. This is from our state association.

If they mean the exact same time then I think they are asking too much of any human being. Might as well take jump stops out of basketball.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by deecee

If they mean the exact same time then I think they are asking too much of any human being. Might as well take jump stops out of basketball.

Yes, at the same time. If one lands before the other it isn't simultaneous.

Traveling or continuation doesn't matter because I'm calling a charge.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes, at the same time. If one lands before the other it isn't simultaneous.

Except in reality we give some leeway in this.

[Nevadaref]

If the issue the OP wished to raise was a discussion of continuous motion, then I don't believe that this will end up being so clear, following some discussion.

First the text of the rule:
"If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if pivoting or *stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity while holding the ball. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight."

My personal opinion aside, a good case can be made that the player was stepping while being fouled and completing the jump stop should be considered the usual foot or body movement in such a case. Just because it is a rare situation doesn't mean that it isn't covered by the rule.

For those who support awarding FTs (or counting a goal) for a player who is fouled while gathering the ball and then completes his stepping movement prior to following through with his attempt for goal, what is the difference here with the jump stop?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If the issue the OP wished to raise was a discussion of continuous motion, then I don't believe that this will end up being so clear, following some discussion.

First the text of the rule:
"If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if pivoting or *stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity while holding the ball. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight."

My personal opinion aside, a good case can be made that the player was stepping while being fouled and completing the jump stop should be considered the usual foot or body movement in such a case. Just because it is a rare situation doesn't mean that it isn't covered by the rule.

For those who support awarding FTs (or counting a goal) for a player who is fouled while gathering the ball and then completes his stepping movement prior to following through with his attempt for goal, what is the difference here with the jump stop?

I'm with you -- I'm not all that sure it's clear cut.

I'm half tempted to bang it home just to hear everyone scream, "He wasn't shooting!" Hell, they all do it when it's obvious he's started a try for goal.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If the issue the OP wished to raise was a discussion of continuous motion, then I don't believe that this will end up being so clear, following some discussion.

First the text of the rule:
"If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if pivoting or *stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity while holding the ball. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight."

My personal opinion aside, a good case can be made that the player was stepping while being fouled and completing the jump stop should be considered the usual foot or body movement in such a case. Just because it is a rare situation doesn't mean that it isn't covered by the rule.

For those who support awarding FTs (or counting a goal) for a player who is fouled while gathering the ball and then completes his stepping movement prior to following through with his attempt for goal, what is the difference here with the jump stop?

If I thought this was a block I'm scoring the bucket here.

It looks like a PC to me though.

And if you come out of this play with a travel......... No bueno for the assignors I call for.

[Remington]

Originally Posted by OKREF

In my corner of Rome, we have been instructed to call this a travel. A jump stop in which the feet don't land simultaneously is a travel. This is from our state association.

Although it's not clear, it does not appear he has gathered the ball until both feet are in the air. He has the ability to then establish a pivot foot. I would not call this a travel even if you felt the feet didn't land simultaneously.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by OKREF

In my corner of Rome, we have been instructed to call this a travel. A jump stop in which the feet don't land simultaneously is a travel. This is from our state association.

Does your state consider the play where the offensive player stops his dribble or catches the ball with both feet off the ground a jump stop? If so, they are wrong to insist that the player has to have both feet land simultaneously for the jump stop to be legal.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Does your state consider the play where the offensive player stops his dribble or catches the ball with both feet off the ground a jump stop? If so, they are wrong to insist that the player has to have both feet land simultaneously for the jump stop to be legal.

We have been instructed, at a camp, by staffers, any jump stop in which both feet don't land simultaneously, is a traveling violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

We have been instructed, at a camp, by staffers, any jump stop in which both feet don't land simultaneously, is a traveling violation.

johnny is right, though. This is only a travel if the ball is gathered prior to the jump rather than gathered in the air.