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Old Mon Dec 30, 2013, 08:12pm
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If they mean the exact same time then I think they are asking too much of any human being. Might as well take jump stops out of basketball.
Yes, at the same time. If one lands before the other it isn't simultaneous.
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Old Mon Dec 30, 2013, 08:27pm
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Traveling or continuation doesn't matter because I'm calling a charge.
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Old Mon Dec 30, 2013, 09:38pm
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Yes, at the same time. If one lands before the other it isn't simultaneous.
Except in reality we give some leeway in this.
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Old Tue Dec 31, 2013, 12:42am
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If the issue the OP wished to raise was a discussion of continuous motion, then I don't believe that this will end up being so clear, following some discussion.

First the text of the rule:
"If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if pivoting or *stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity while holding the ball. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight."

My personal opinion aside, a good case can be made that the player was stepping while being fouled and completing the jump stop should be considered the usual foot or body movement in such a case. Just because it is a rare situation doesn't mean that it isn't covered by the rule.

For those who support awarding FTs (or counting a goal) for a player who is fouled while gathering the ball and then completes his stepping movement prior to following through with his attempt for goal, what is the difference here with the jump stop?
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Old Tue Dec 31, 2013, 12:52am
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If the issue the OP wished to raise was a discussion of continuous motion, then I don't believe that this will end up being so clear, following some discussion.

First the text of the rule:
"If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if pivoting or *stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity while holding the ball. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight."

My personal opinion aside, a good case can be made that the player was stepping while being fouled and completing the jump stop should be considered the usual foot or body movement in such a case. Just because it is a rare situation doesn't mean that it isn't covered by the rule.

For those who support awarding FTs (or counting a goal) for a player who is fouled while gathering the ball and then completes his stepping movement prior to following through with his attempt for goal, what is the difference here with the jump stop?
I'm with you -- I'm not all that sure it's clear cut.

I'm half tempted to bang it home just to hear everyone scream, "He wasn't shooting!" Hell, they all do it when it's obvious he's started a try for goal.
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Old Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:18am
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I think that it is a charge or a no call. Defender has two feet down in the path facing ball handler, definitely before the shot. Defender looks like he tries to sell the contact from this angle. Ball handler attempts to go around defender with the jump stop.

How can it be a block on the secondary defender? He sure didn't do anything wrong. If the foul was on the primary defender with a push or some thing than it definitely is not continuation but I don't see anything foul worthy from that player either.

For discussion sake though, if you had the exact same play with a euro step instead of the apparent jump stop, it is defiantly a shooting foul. But I think I am with the majority that say action before the jump stop is not continuation but a foul after the jump stop most defiantly would be continuation.

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Old Tue Dec 31, 2013, 09:39am
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If the issue the OP wished to raise was a discussion of continuous motion, then I don't believe that this will end up being so clear, following some discussion.

First the text of the rule:
"If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if pivoting or *stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity while holding the ball. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight."

My personal opinion aside, a good case can be made that the player was stepping while being fouled and completing the jump stop should be considered the usual foot or body movement in such a case. Just because it is a rare situation doesn't mean that it isn't covered by the rule.

For those who support awarding FTs (or counting a goal) for a player who is fouled while gathering the ball and then completes his stepping movement prior to following through with his attempt for goal, what is the difference here with the jump stop?
If I thought this was a block I'm scoring the bucket here.

It looks like a PC to me though.

And if you come out of this play with a travel......... No bueno for the assignors I call for.
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Old Tue Dec 31, 2013, 10:21am
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If I thought this was a block I'm scoring the bucket here.

It looks like a PC to me though.

And if you come out of this play with a travel......... No bueno for the assignors I call for.
It's a good discussion that could come out of this post -- did the L do a good job of refereeing the defense on the secondary defender?
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