Dead ball contact

[Camron Rust]

I have a block on #2. The defender, with nowhere near LGP, cut under the shooters leg and caused him to flip around and to the floor. Shooter would have landed on his feet otherwise. That is a protect the shooter play if there ever was one.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I have a block on #2. The defender, with nowhere near LGP, cut under the shooters leg and caused him to flip around and to the floor. Shooter would have landed on his feet otherwise. That is a protect the shooter play if there ever was one.

Now that I've seen the play on a better video, I agree, should have had a whistle for a block on that play. Defender's torso contacted the airborne shooter's leg.

Here are some more plays from this game that I wanted to hear some opinions about.

[bob jenkins]

1) Foul on white for pushing through the screen.

2) Hard to tell from this angle, but I probably let it go

3) Black begins the motion just past the FT line -- shooting foul

4) Not a shooting foul

5) Good call -- white pushed black back, then got the rebound

6) Seems right, but tough to see. Why did the officials converse immediately after?

7) Looks like a flop by black

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) Foul on white for pushing through the screen.

2) Hard to tell from this angle, but I probably let it go

3) Black begins the motion just past the FT line -- shooting foul

4) Not a shooting foul

5) Good call -- white pushed black back, then got the rebound

6) Seems right, but tough to see. Why did the officials converse immediately after?

7) Looks like a flop by black

Agree on all. #2 is iffy but I would like to see another angle before I say it's wrong.

On a different note, I really don't like the pointing to the floor mechanic used in #3 and #4 when they have a non-shooting foul. I just think waving the shot off and then giving the throw-in spot looks a lot sharper.

[JRutledge]

1. Push by the white defensive player.
2. Probably illegal, but I hope it was the first kind of play. I did not see a lot of displacement, just a guy going around the screen on some level.
3. Give him foul shots.
4. Give him shots. BTW, I hate one armed mechanics. Wave the basket off or award shots.
5. I have no idea who that foul was called on. Looks like a play on to me.
6. Common foul. I hope there is not a consideration for anything else. Basketball play that had two out of control players.
7. Looks like more of a flop and little contact. I would rather have a play on here.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Agree on all. #2 is iffy but I would like to see another angle before I say it's wrong.

Agree on all counts with the same point on #2. It might be a good illegal screen call...I tend to think so.

1. Is this Lead's call or Trail?
2. I've heard almost a 50/50 split on whether this play is legal or illegal

5. That's me making the call. I felt black had prime rebounding position and was displaced (even just a little) when white returned inbounds. I held my whistle until there was advantage realized. If the basket was good or rolled off the rim the other direction I would have let this go.
6. I ran to my partner to ask him if he wanted to upgrade. He said no.
7. Either a no-call or a block I think.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

1. Is this Lead's call or Trail?

It could be the C's call if they have a clean look at this play. The Trail is on ball at this play, they would likely catch it late if at all. Well no one caught it or passed on it for some reason.

Originally Posted by AremRed

5. That's me making the call. I felt black had prime rebounding position and was displaced (even just a little) when white returned inbounds. I held my whistle until there was advantage realized. If the basket was good or rolled off the rim the other direction I would have let this go.

I just do not see much displacement, but then again you had a much better angle. The video looks more like normal contact.

Originally Posted by AremRed

6. I ran to my partner to ask him if he wanted to upgrade. He said no.

Why would you ask him? It was his play and if you had a call I could see the discussion. But it looked like he saw the play the entire way, no need for a discussion IMO.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why would you ask him? It was his play and if you had a call I could see the discussion. But it looked like he saw the play the entire way, no need for a discussion IMO.

Based on the game temperature. It was a frustration foul as black was losing by a lot. This, coupled with the dead ball contact from the other video made me think that we should call this an INT to put a foot on any other ideas black had about hard fouls.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Based on the game temperature. It was a frustration foul as black was losing by a lot. This, coupled with the dead ball contact from the other video made me think that we should call this an INT to put a foot on any other ideas black had about hard fouls.

Trust your partner.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Based on the game temperature. It was a frustration foul as black was losing by a lot. This, coupled with the dead ball contact from the other video made me think that we should call this an INT to put a foot on any other ideas black had about hard fouls.

Well your partner did not seem to be too concerned. If I were you, I would have been more concerned about the players on the floor than talking with my partner at that moment. Let your partner do his job on a play he was mostly responsible for. If he felt it was that bad, he could have called it originally. This was a basketball play. I get thinking on some level this should be upgraded, but this is not a play where that discussion needs to be had.

Peace

[jTheUmp]

#6) IMHO, as the trail, you shouldn't go sprinting over there... hold your spot, make sure that the fouled player (or his teammate) doesn't get up with "ill intent", so to speak.

If there are "game temperature" concerns, the freeze and observe routine becomes even more important, IMHO.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

5. That's me making the call. I felt black had prime rebounding position and was displaced (even just a little) when white returned inbounds. I held my whistle until there was advantage realized. If the basket was good or rolled off the rim the other direction I would have let this go.

I agree with you. I think that was a good get. Black was clearly displaced by white's shove in the back. It wasn't dramatic. It may have not even been obvious to the casual observer. But, he was displaced.....and it shifted the advantage to white on that rebound. If white didn't get it, it would be a no-call....but it had a possession consequence making it a good call.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

#6) IMHO, as the trail, you shouldn't go sprinting over there... hold your spot, make sure that the fouled player (or his teammate) doesn't get up with "ill intent", so to speak.

If there are "game temperature" concerns, the freeze and observe routine becomes even more important, IMHO.

I agree on the "sprinting." If I make a call, and I think there's any chance that I might have missed something that would result in an "upgrade" then I'm making eye contact with my partners to see if they have anything to add.

Then, we get together.