Oob ?

[Redneck Ref]

The following is a question that came up between some officials the other night.

Player A legally obtains posession of the ball near the end line. Player B ties him up creating an alternating possession throw in. In the process of getting into position to get to the ball, player B is standing with one foot on the out of bounds line. There is no foul and Player B legally and simultaneously posses the ball with Player A.

What is your call and why?

Rule Reference please.

[Raymond]

I don't have a rules reference, but B1 caused the ball to be OOB.

Decide which happened first, the held ball or the player touching OOB and the ball simultaneously. Proceed accordingly.

[Scratch85]

7-2-2. Caused to be out of bound by Player B.

[Redneck Ref]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

7-2-2. Caused to be out of bound by Player B.

"...if the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched by a player who is on or outside a boudary line, such player causes it to go out."

I see this play as a player standing OOB and the ball touches them for whatever reason.

Not the held ball situation in my OP.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Redneck Ref

"...if the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched by a player who is on or outside a boudary line, such player causes it to go out."

I see this play as a player standing OOB and the ball touches them for whatever reason.

Not the held ball situation in my OP.

If the player causes the HB before stepping out of bounds (and I would consult the definition of a held ball), then it's a HB.
If he steps OOB in the process of trying to get a secure hold on the ball (ie, while touching but not having a secure hold on the ball), he has caused the ball to go OOB.

[BatteryPowered]

Originally Posted by Redneck Ref

The following is a question that came up between some officials the other night.

Player A legally obtains posession of the ball near the end line. Player B ties him up creating an alternating possession throw in. In the process of getting into position to get to the ball, player B is standing with one foot on the out of bounds line. There is no foul and Player B legally and simultaneously posses the ball with Player A.

What is your call and why?

Rule Reference please.

Don't have books so I cannot give a reference but there is no "tie up", as you state player B is OOB. Player B caused the ball to go OOB, ball to A at the spot.

Also from your post, don't see how any player can "legally and simultaneously" posses the ball with any other player if they are OOB.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

... don't see how any player can "legally and simultaneously" posses the ball with any other player if they are OOB.

Can a player OOB, on a throw-in, "posses the ball" with another player on the inbounds side "legally and simultaneously"?

7.6.4 Sit. A

While attempting a throw-in, A1 holds the ball through the plane of the end line. B1 (b)simply grabs the ball and then throws it through B's basket.

RULING: (b) score two points for Team B

[BatteryPowered]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Can a player OOB, on a throw-in, "posses the ball" with another player on the inbounds side "legally and simultaneously"?

7.6.4 Sit. A

While attempting a throw-in, A1 holds the ball through the plane of the end line. B1 (b)simply grabs the ball and then throws it through B's basket.

RULING: (b) score two points for Team B

Okay...I can't think of MANY ways a player OOB can "legally and simultaneously" posses the ball with another player