Clock - Broken Tenths

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

In the case you brought up the ball is already in play, so go by the horn. But the OP says the ball is dead at the time in question. If, at that time, the clock shows zeroes, then that's it.

Like I said, there is no differentiating between consoles that show tenths of a second and those that do not, so you're just making things up if you allow it.

Did you read the case? They are shooting a free throw with zeros on the clock and the lane spaces filled.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Did you read the case? They are shooting a free throw with zeros on the clock and the lane spaces filled.

Well s#&%! LOL

That doesn't make sense, though. How do you determine if an offensive rebounder can attempt a shot by catching first or simply by tapping the ball? Unless, the scoreboard console shows tenths of a second? Which the book doesn't describe. I mean, is the rule different in different gyms? Seems like that should be covered.

[OKREF]

5.6.2

Each quarter or extra period ends when the signal illuminates or sounds indicating time has expired, as in 1-14.

Doesn't say when the clock shows zero.

[BryanV21]

I don't think this situation is well covered in the book, and should be cleared up. Using the console to determine how many tenths of a second remain, so we know whether a ball can or can't be caught before a field goal try, doesn't sit well with me. Because not all gyms have consoles that show the time... tenths of a second or not.

I mean, what if in this case the console didn't show the time? How do you proceed? Do you allow a catch and shoot?

I can't say for sure, but I seem to have been in a situation where all zeroes were shown on the clock, but the horn did not sound yet. Furthermore, the console did not display the time, making it impossible to determine if a ball could be caught before a field goal try. So it was decided that the quarter was over with.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I mean, what if in this case the console didn't show the time? How do you proceed? Do you allow a catch and shoot?

Then, yes, you allow the catch-and-shoot.

What you don't do is declare the quarter over.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Then, yes, you allow the catch-and-shoot.

What you don't do is declare the quarter over.

ok

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

...... the console did not display the time, making it impossible to determine if a ball could be caught before a field goal try. So it was decided that the quarter was over with.

Obviously whether there can be a catch or not is very important, but just as obvious is this is not a determining factor of whether the quarter is over. If the clock shows .2, you know there cannot be a catch and shoot, but.......

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Well s#&%! LOL

That doesn't make sense, though. How do you determine if an offensive rebounder can attempt a shot by catching first or simply by tapping the ball? Unless, the scoreboard console shows tenths of a second? Which the book doesn't describe. I mean, is the rule different in different gyms? Seems like that should be covered.

You make sure you watch the play and see if the shot gets off before the horn. At this point we have to earn our stripes and be aware.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by OKREF

You make sure you watch the play and see if the shot gets off before the horn. At this point we have to earn our stripes and be aware.

And if the clock shows zeros count: one-one thousand and blow the whistle. The quarter is over.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Did you read the case? They are shooting a free throw with zeros on the clock and the lane spaces filled.

Which is similar to what we had at the end of the game when we called back all the players to the floor in order to allow a throw-in, a signal to start the clock, then allowed the horn to end the game just after the subsequent play.
Because it was a wide margin for one team, we didn't bother to check at the table to see what fraction of a second remained before the horn.
Under these conditions, would we have felt compelled to check the LED console for what fraction of a second remained if, for instance, it showed .8 seconds remaining in an 80-80 game and one team had a throw-in on their endline? And furthermore, would we have been able to verify if the clock had actually been started at the proper time?
Again, it's not that the "clock" did not display tenths of a second. It's just that the scoreboard function of the "clock" was dysfunctional.
Hope I didn't open a can of worms here......