The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 13, 2013, 11:24am
#40
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 44
lacking effort

Hello
I'm basically still a rookie official so I have some questions. First, I worked a game last night with a veteran official who was acting very lazy with his mechanics, communication and his effort in getting up and down the floor. I didn't say anything because i am new to the association and he was a veteran. What should I do in this situation?
Second, we had a double whistle last night. I had a timeout and he had a foul. The veteran was offering no advice so we gave the foul to team A and awarded the coach from team B his timeout. Neither coach argued but just curious if we were correct.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 13, 2013, 11:27am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,019
Quote:
Originally Posted by gojeremy View Post
Hello
I'm basically still a rookie official so I have some questions. First, I worked a game last night with a veteran official who was acting very lazy with his mechanics, communication and his effort in getting up and down the floor. I didn't say anything because i am new to the association and he was a veteran. What should I do in this situation?
Remember it when you become the veteran working with a rookie.

If he's not switching properly or something, tell him you need the practice so would like to do it correctly.

Quote:
Second, we had a double whistle last night. I had a timeout and he had a foul. The veteran was offering no advice so we gave the foul to team A and awarded the coach from team B his timeout. Neither coach argued but just curious if we were correct.
You should get together to decide which came first. If it was the TO, then ignore the foul (unless it was intentional or flagrant). If it was the foul, then ask the coach if he still wants the TO (especially if the request was because his player was trapped, or a count was about to expire, etc.)
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 13, 2013, 11:32am
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 30,472
Not everyone does this for the same reasons. Some are working games for the money or to just get out of the house and the money. The lessons that rookie will learn as they become a veteran and you will understand how the people around you approach the game.

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 13, 2013, 11:34am
Back from the DL
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Maine
Posts: 2,540
In time, you will learn why you're working with these cats. You're both at the lower at end of the scale. You are, because you're new and unproven; he is, because he's proven to be lazy. We all have had partners like this. Just get through the game with what you can, and remember his effort come ratings time at season's end.
__________________
Confidence is a vehicle, not a destination.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 13, 2013, 12:01pm
#40
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 44
I felt I needed to work twice as hard to make up for his lack of effort. It was definitely a good learning experience.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 13, 2013, 12:35pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,019
Quote:
Originally Posted by gojeremy View Post
I felt I needed to work twice as hard to make up for his lack of effort. It was definitely a good learning experience.
You need to work "twice as hard" every night.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 13, 2013, 01:23pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,050
In hindsight, it was good that I saw all kinds of officials in my first few years. I learned good habits from some, I learned what not to do from others. I learned that sometimes you just have to get it done and nothing good can come from "speaking" to that person.

I would suggest that you also consider this. Although this official lacked effort and so forth, were there things that he did well? A firend of mine was complaining about a a college official in our area and his poor mechanics. I said "how has he been doing this for 30 years with such poor mechanics?" I wanted him to ponder the fact that we can learn from everybody. This official with the poor mechanics is a master of game management. This is how he has survived. When I work with him, I try to learn game management from him. When I'm looking for somebody to model my mechanics, I look elsewhere.

When you stop learning, it wil be time to stop officiating.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Sat Dec 14, 2013, 12:18am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 346
Work your game. Lazy veterans are always a part of the game. If you don't feel that he/she work at their best, talk to your assignor and let them know your concerns. Do it in a non-threatening manner, with the thought that you are there to learn, but you didn't feel that this was a person who was there to help a younger official. It is likely that the assignor has heard this before and they need this info for future assignments for the both of you.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Infield fly...ordinary effort? fiasco Softball 32 Sun Jul 12, 2009 06:47pm
HBP Reasonable Effort... bigblue68 Softball 17 Thu Mar 27, 2008 01:29pm
Infield Fly - ordinary effort dweezil24 Softball 32 Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:52pm
Ordinary Effort and the IF rule WestMichBlue Softball 4 Fri Sep 12, 2003 03:20pm
Public Relations - A great effort! PatLynch Basketball 0 Mon Jan 24, 2000 07:48pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:48am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1