Throw in issues HS Rules

[HokiePaul]

1) I grant the time out. I would consider the ball still at A's disposal.
(8-3-a: The ball is at the disposal or in control of a player of his/her team)

2) Violation. Spot throw in from the endline for B.

3a) I'm going with no violation (may change my mind once I hear what others have). I'm treating the wall like the floor out of bounds and considering this like a dribble - and there is no restriction on dribbling during a throw in.

3b) I'm calling a Violation (and I'm looking through the rule book now to see if I can figure out why).

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

3b) I'm calling a Violation (and I'm looking through the rule book now to see if I can figure out why).

Is it a habit of yours to call things a certain way and then worry about the rules backing later? This is especially silly since you are not on a court being asked to make the call in real time. Instead you have the opportunity to find the correct answer first and then post.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Is it a habit of yours to call things a certain way and then worry about the rules backing later? This is especially silly since you are not on a court being asked to make the call in real time. Instead you have the opportunity to find the correct answer first and then post.

No ... I know it is a violation by rule, so I'm calling it if I see it in a game. I just don't have the rule citation memorized. It is something like the ball must be released directly onto the court - just can't find it at the moment.

Edit:
My reason for a violation in 3b is Rule 9-2-2: The ball shall be passed by the thrower directly into the court from out of bounds ... A pass off the wall onto the court does not meet this provision so I call a violation when touched. If no one touches it, I call a violation when it goes out of bounds untouched.

[johnny d]

Check in rule 9, there might be some help for you there.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

No ... I know it is a violation by rule, so I'm calling it if I see it in a game. I just don't have the rule citation memorized. It is something like the ball must be released directly onto the court - just can't find it at the moment.

Try 9-2-2, and Case Book 9.2.2 A (a) and (b), which have to do with (The ball shall be passed directly into the court from out-of-bounds...).

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Try 9-2-2, and Case Book 9.2.2 A (a) and (b), which have to do with (The ball shall be passed directly into the court from out-of-bounds...).

Thanks. And the case 9.2.2 D seems to me to support the ruling that the actions in the OP 3a are legal. "Ruling: A player may bounce the ball on the out-of-bounds area prior to making a throw-in".

It specifically mentions "out-of-bounds area" instead of "floor" so I'm keeping my 5 second count as the player bounces the ball off of the wall to themselves out of bounds.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Thanks. And the case 9.2.2 D seems to me to support the ruling that the actions in the OP 3a are legal. "Ruling: A player may bounce the ball on the out-of-bounds area prior to making a throw-in".

It specifically mentions "out-of-bounds area" instead of "floor" so I'm keeping my 5 second count as the player bounces the ball off of the wall to themselves out of bounds.

While it does say area, I think it would be pretty safe to assume they really meant area of the floor.

That said, I'm also OK with being liberal with it and ruling it to not be a violation. In the spirit of this rule, it doesn't really match the violations on the throwin going directly OOB because the thrower was just bouncing it to himself/herself (like dribble but not technically a dribble). They gain absolutely nothing by doing so...and probably just waste time that could have been used for the throwin.

As for situation #1, I've got a violation as soon as it passed the plane of the sideline. The throwin can only be made along the endline, not the endline extended, and the ball is no longer along the endline but is in an OOB area where no thowin can be made.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As for situation #1, I've got a violation as soon as it passed the plane of the sideline. The throwin can only be made along the endline, not the endline extended, and the ball is no longer along the endline but is in an OOB area where no thowin can be made.

Interesting thought -- although technically the throwin hasn't been "made" yet and it still could be made along the endline if recovered quickly enough.

Would anyone else call a violation immediately if a player moved endline "extended" or would the call be made only if the ball was released on a throwin from this position. Since there is no line, it would have to be a judgement call as to whether or not the thrower crossed the sideline plane. Also, depending on where you positioned (and whether it is 2 or 3 man), this sideline call might be your partners line/call.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

It specifically mentions "out-of-bounds area" instead of "floor" so I'm keeping my 5 second count as the player bounces the ball off of the wall to themselves out of bounds.

Would you also allow them to bounce it off the back of the backboard?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Altor

Would you also allow them to bounce it off the back of the backboard?

Sure. Once. Then the ball would go to the other team due to the violation.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Altor

Would you also allow them to bounce it off the back of the backboard?

Not really a good comparison to the play in question.

I see it more like the thrower backing up and touching the wall behind them. Whether the player touches the wall or the ball touches the wall in the out of bounds area, there is no depth restriction on the throw in so I'm not seeing a rule being violated in this specific instance.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Is it a habit of yours to call things a certain way and then worry about the rules backing later? This is especially silly since you are not on a court being asked to make the call in real time. Instead you have the opportunity to find the correct answer first and then post.

Lighten up, Frances.