How many "T"s will you have at the end of the season?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

So....Uh......which rule set ARE you using???

This is funny. There may be parts of the country that do everything "by the book". If I tried that here, I would be doing a lot of middle school ball. Texas just went from a 6' coaches box to a 14' box this year. I would have never known - we don't make a big deal out of the coaches box here. If the coach is coaching, we pretty much don't care. We also don't enforce the 10 minute book rule. We rarely even go onto the court with more than 10 minutes showing on the clock. We go over to check the book when it looks like it's ready. The coaches have to sign the book before we start so if there are any book issues, it's on them. This may horrify some people. I like it. I'm sure part of it stems from coaches having so much power to control who works their games (more importantly who doesn't).

And I'm with BNR on this one - why try and predict how many T's you'll call? That is just something that is unpredictable.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by Smitty

There may be parts of the country that do everything "by the book". If I tried that here, I would be doing a lot of middle school ball.

There is one thing I have learned over the many changes in states/officials pools is how to find the middle of things. I am the "R" for the first time in my new state tonight and I can assure you that the book won't be ready at 10...will I whack them?...nope...because no one else is doing that and I would like to be considered for post season...go ahead and call me wrong and I know some will but you do what you have to do to survive! lol

I am cracking down a little on coaches though...can't take that anymore.

[johnny d]

Where is the rule that says the book has to be ready at 10 minutes? Last I checked, the teams need to supply the scorer with their rosters before the 10 minute mark. When the scorer decides to put them in the book is irrelevant.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

I've had three so far in 15 games.Two were coaches failing to notify me of a number change and that player entered the game.The other one was a technical for breaking the plane on an inbounds play.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

The other one was a technical for breaking the plane on an inbounds play.

Had the team already received a DOG warning?

[bainsey]

Had my first one of the season tonight, JV-B, two DOGs, both plane, both in the first quarter. (The second one resulted in a loud yell from the defender the instant I whistled.)

Coaches and kids do an overall good job in these parts to be sportsmanlike. If I have three unsportsmanlike Ts this season, that's a lot.

[JetMetFan]

Three in Tuesday's GV game brings me up to four on the season in a week and a half.

#1 (last week) = HC tells A6 to go in for one of her teammates. A6 enters the game. Unfortunately she decided to do this while the ball was in play.
#2 (Tuesday) = A1 has her shot blocked and says "s--t" loud enough for me and her opponents to hear it. NYC has a no tolerance rule regarding profanity, so...
#3 (ibid) = Different A1 thinks she's fouled on a drive. The ball heads the other way. B1 is fouled on her way to the basket. A1 says, "Oh, but you see that, right?"
#4 (ibid) = Yet another A1 thinks she was hit on the arm while taking a shot. As A1 is heading towards her team's bench at the start of a time out she says, "I got hit on my f---ing arm!"

Interestingly, scenario #1 was the second time I've been in a game where that's happened this season. The other was an NCAAW game. My R tried "not to see it" but the girl almost ran him over.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Where is the rule that says the book has to be ready at 10 minutes? Last I checked, the teams need to supply the scorer with their rosters before the 10 minute mark. When the scorer decides to put them in the book is irrelevant.

And this is one of the many rules that officials surprisingly do not understand and adjudicate incorrectly.

As for coaching box issues, our state has made a bigger deal about that rule based on the interpretation of the administrators of our sports. It has become a major issue that because of what happened last year it was felt we as officials were not doing a good job enforcing. And after all it is a rule that we kind of ignored or looked the other way. I am totally guilty there, but because of the behavior of many coaches, this is something that the IHSA wanted to be cracked down on. As far as I am concerned coaches did this to themselves. I am just doing what is asked and that reason alone will probably put me in a situation to call more Ts. I have yet to call one for a coach being out of the box, but I could see it happening. It happen in my first game this year by a partner and the coach was not saying a word to us, but that is how the state wants it called. It is a new day on many levels.

Peace

[johnny d]

I have been lucky so far JRut. In the handful of HS games I have done, coaches have stayed in box the entire time. I think for the most part, they got the message from the IHSA loud and clear. Before this season, I was much like you. If the guy was out of his box coaching, I wasn't really that concerned.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by egj13

...
I am cracking down a little on coaches though...can't take that anymore.

I'd have to be Don Quixote' if I were in your state, because I'm not going to let coaches run the game either.

[APG]

Originally Posted by egj13

There is one thing I have learned over the many changes in states/officials pools is how to find the middle of things. I am the "R" for the first time in my new state tonight and I can assure you that the book won't be ready at 10...will I whack them?...nope...because no one else is doing that and I would like to be considered for post season...go ahead and call me wrong and I know some will but you do what you have to do to survive! lol

I am cracking down a little on coaches though...can't take that anymore.

It's a good thing that by rule, book doesn't have to be prepared at the 10 minute mark.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by APG

It's a good thing that by rule, book doesn't have to be prepared at the 10 minute mark.

As always the "technicallities" or lack there of bit me in the rear in my post...

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by APG

It's a good thing that by rule, book doesn't have to be prepared at the 10 minute mark.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And this is one of the many rules that officials surprisingly do not understand and adjudicate incorrectly.

Yet another item my NCAAW assignor mentioned in his weekly e-mail to us. He didn't specifically say a crew botched this rule but I doubt he would've mentioned it if it didn't happen.