Whistle at first horn

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Had a euro professional league official give me a pointer about this very thing this week. He suggested that after a timeout is requested and granted, that the partners get together quickly and determine who's ball it is where the ball will come in at. THEN report the timeout and start the timer. I tried it this week and I rally like it. By time you finish your pow wow with the P, both teams have had sufficient time to get into their huddles. I like the whistle suggestion and will try it this week.

Officials (all) need to know the length of the TO and where and how (spot, run, FT -- including number and the shooter) the ball will be put back in play. You can do that with eye contact -- you don't need to get together.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Officials (all) need to know the length of the TO and where and how (spot, run, FT -- including number and the shooter) the ball will be put back in play. You can do that with eye contact -- you don't need to get together.

Yeah what Bob said. I didn't mean physically get together in a huddle but just communicate the information before reporting the TO, not after during the TO.

[Rich]

I don't start the clock until everyone's in the huddle.

Usually, I'll get an assistant's attention and point out the throw-in spot (and if it's on the end line in the backcourt whether the thrower-in can run the end line).

Take a few extra seconds at the beginning of the time out and you won't have to rush teams as much at the end.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Rich

I don't start the clock until everyone's in the huddle.

Yep...more or less...at least near the huddle.

Originally Posted by Rich

Guess what -- huddles start breaking when they hear the whistle much more effectively than when we come in simply saying, "First horn."

Hmmmmmm....kinda like "crying wolf isn't it?"

Usually a whistle means ball is ready for play (after a TO)...not excactly true in this case, since the team still has 15 seconds left of their TO.

It's no wonder the "huddles start breaking when they hear the whistle"...but, hasn't your crew just shorted the team the benefit of a full TO?

I guess if your whole association is doing it this way...it's consistent.

But, maybe the teams in your association are going to get spoiled with these whisltes and are getting set up for failure when they go outside of your service area.

Just a thought.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Yep...more or less...at least near the huddle.



Hmmmmmm....kinda like "crying wolf isn't it?"

Usually a whistle means ball is ready for play (after a TO)...not excactly true in this case, since the team still has 15 seconds left of their TO.

It's no wonder the "huddles start breaking when they hear the whistle"...but, hasn't your crew just shorted the team the benefit of a full TO?

I guess if your whole association is doing it this way...it's consistent.

But, maybe the teams in your association are going to get spoiled with these whisltes and are getting set up for failure when they go outside of your service area.

Just a thought.

Interesting, this question came up at our association meeting and the interpretation we were told is that coaches should be breaking the huddle at 15 seconds and play will resume at the second horn. I am kind of torn on the issue as I feel as long as the huddle is breaking at the second horn and team s are moving to their spots, that is good for me. They get to use their full time and the game gets back under way quickly.

[#olderthanilook]

I have the same reporting philosophy when reporting time outs to the table as Freddy. And, I transfer that philosophy to football, as well.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Yep...more or less...at least near the huddle.



Hmmmmmm....kinda like "crying wolf isn't it?"

Usually a whistle means ball is ready for play (after a TO)...not excactly true in this case, since the team still has 15 seconds left of their TO.

It's no wonder the "huddles start breaking when they hear the whistle"...but, hasn't your crew just shorted the team the benefit of a full TO?

I guess if your whole association is doing it this way...it's consistent.

But, maybe the teams in your association are going to get spoiled with these whisltes and are getting set up for failure when they go outside of your service area.

Just a thought.

They should be breaking at 15 seconds, or getting ready to, anyway.

The odds of me putting a ball on the floor are about zero, but I'm going to do my best to keep everyone moving.

[johnny d]

I am never putting the ball on the floor. I will give a DOG if the delay is long enough to become an issue and then follow up with a T if the problem persists.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I will give a DOG if the delay is long enough to become an issue

Unofficially I'm sure?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I am never putting the ball on the floor. I will give a DOG if the delay is long enough to become an issue and then follow up with a T if the problem persists.

You have ROP in effect in both FED and NCAAW. You can have a DOG first in NCAAW, but not in FED.

No T;

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I am never putting the ball on the floor. I will give a DOG if the delay is long enough to become an issue and then follow up with a T if the problem persists.

I hope this isn't in a Fed game.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Rich

They should be breaking at 15 seconds, or getting ready to, anyway.

...I believe the exact words are, "A warning signal for the teams to PREPARE to resume play is sounded with 15 seconds remaining." (5-11-2,3)

So that would go along with your "or getting ready to, anyway" statement...

but, somewhat different than "they should be BREAKING AT 15 seconds"...IMO.

Originally Posted by Rich

The odds of me putting a ball on the floor are about zero, but I'm going to do my best to keep everyone moving.

A whistle at the 1st horn should keep your odds at about zero...

[PG_Ref]

Although in FED, there is no DOG "warning" for delaying the throw in after a time out (ROP), if one or both teams commit a 5-sec violation, and then continues to delay, a "T" is warranted.
7-5
ART. 1

When a team does not make a thrower available, after a time-out (as in 7-4-4) or the intermission between any quarter (as in 6-2-3), the resumption-of-play procedure is used to prevent delay. The administering official will sound the whistle to indicate play will resume. In each situation:

a. The ball shall be put in play if Team A is ready or it shall be placed on the floor.

b. The throw-in count shall begin and if a violation occurs, the procedure will be repeated for Team B.

c. Following a violation by one team only, if that team continues to delay when authorized to make a throw-in, it is a technical foul.

d. Following a violation by both teams, any further delay by either team is a technical foul.

Caseplay
7.5.1 SITUATION A:

The administering official has reached a five-second throw-in count on Team A after placing the ball on the floor when A was not ready to resume play following a time-out. What happens next?

RULING: The violation is administered and the ball is made available to Team B for a throw-in, at the same spot. If a Team B player is not in position, the same procedure is followed. If both teams have violated, a technical foul will be assessed for any further delay by either team. Team A must now have a thrower available, plus all other players on the court and Team B must be on the court ready to play also. If either or both teams are not in compliance immediately, a technical foul shall be charged.

COMMENT: Each different time a team has delayed returning to the court after a time-out or between quarters, the resumption-of-play procedure should be used. However, if a team refuses to play after technical fouls have been assessed, the game may be forfeited. (4-38; 5-4-1)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...I believe the exact words are, "A warning signal for the teams to PREPARE to resume play is sounded with 15 seconds remaining." (5-11-2,3)

So that would go along with your "or getting ready to, anyway" statement...

but, somewhat different than "they should be BREAKING AT 15 seconds"...IMO.

I'm not all that concerned with a few seconds here or there. I know that if the team hasn't broken the huddle on the SECOND horn, I'm going to remind the coach to move things along.

The whistle usually gets them stirring, but if it doesn't, I'm just doing what I've always done -- getting in the huddle, encouraging them to break, etc.

Not putting the ball down unless a team is really insistent on not breaking until the second horn repeatedly -- or defiant.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Yep...more or less...at least near the huddle.



Hmmmmmm....kinda like "crying wolf isn't it?"

Usually a whistle means ball is ready for play (after a TO)...not excactly true in this case, since the team still has 15 seconds left of their TO.

It's no wonder the "huddles start breaking when they hear the whistle"...but, hasn't your crew just shorted the team the benefit of a full TO?

I guess if your whole association is doing it this way...it's consistent.

But, maybe the teams in your association are going to get spoiled with these whisltes and are getting set up for failure when they go outside of your service area.

Just a thought.

Rookie Dude:

I am with holding comment per the "whistle at first horn" but a team does not have 15 seconds more to its TO. Both teams are to be ready to play by the second horn.

MTD, Sr.