Flopping to Falling and everywhere in between.

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Falling to fake a foul = Technical foul.

Falling? Flopping can take many forms, but is almost never a technical foul.

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Players are allowed to protect themselves.

What do you mean by this?

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Had an interesting discussion with a coach tonight. He must have been one of the rare ones who actually reads rule books or listens when we talk. Partner and I talked about it after game and wil bring it up at next meeting.

You reference this discussion with a coach but never tell us what was said. What did the coach say? How did you respond?

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

When does falling constitute flopping? If a kid is yelling and slapping the floor and looks like a soccer player rolling around inciting the crowd then obviously if there was minimal or no contact then you could warn and/or t them up.

Or they may really be hurt, as in your example below.

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

What if its a block charge situation and a player is getting set then just bailing out early? If they start leaning away and anticipation of contact and are basically on their way down before contact can occur and then never does, is that flopping?

If a player has established Legal Guarding Position and starts falling before contact occurs, I call a block. I see the player falling early as a safety risk....the offensive player may land on the defenders legs and twist an ankle or get tangled up. Whatever happens, it is less safe for all players involved.

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I know we can't officiate intent but the kid may not be faking a foul and warning/T'ing up a kid for being soft doesn't seem like the same call.

Flopping as a basketball term is defined as "inventing or embellishing contact in order to deceive a referee into calling a foul on the other team". You must understand the difference between inventing contact where none exists (see Paul, Chris) and embellishing contact that has occured (see Miller, Reggie).

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Partner t'd him up for flopping kid get up and spits a bloody tooth out on his shoe.

This is why you should never call a T for flopping.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

If a player has established Legal Guarding Position and starts falling before contact occurs, I call a block.

If the defender has LGP and falls , so long as the fall does not create illegal contact, whatever else it may be, it isn't a block.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If the defender has LGP and falls , so long as the fall does not create illegal contact, whatever else it may be, it isn't a block.

Agreed. It's not illegal for the defender to brace for contact, and falling backwards with pending contact fits that for me. Falling does not involve any action that negates or removes LGP.

Flopping is not defined, as it isn't in the rule. The T is for "faking being fouled", not falling down.

I've called it. Once. And I'd do it again in that specific situation.

Originally Posted by just another ref

If the defender has LGP and falls , so long as the fall does not create illegal contact, whatever else it may be, it isn't a block.

What would be an example of illegal contact in this case?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What would be an example of illegal contact in this case?

An example, for me, would be falling into the path of another player.