technical foul question

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Do technical fouls on bench personnel count towards the bonus? If so, then it doesn't matter in this case. If not, I guess this technical would add one?

Every foul counts toward the bonus except for an indirect technical on the head coach.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Every foul counts toward the bonus except for an indirect technical on the head coach.

I guess that depends on if you consider a technical foul which is additionally indirect to the coach to be considered a separate technical foul, and think it should be recorded separately.

Indirect just means to me that the coach is affected by the penalty, not that he is charged a special "indirect technical" which does not count toward team fouls or shots.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I guess that depends on if you consider a technical foul which is additionally indirect to the coach to be considered a separate technical foul, and think it should be recorded separately.

Indirect just means to me that the coach is affected by the penalty, not that he is charged a special "indirect technical" which does not count toward team fouls or shots.

It is a separate foul which most definitely is charged to the head coach. If he gets a total of any 3 technical fouls, including indirect, he is gone.

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is a separate foul which most definitely is charged to the head coach. If he gets a total of any 3 technical fouls, including indirect, he is gone.

Under the Technical-Foul Penalty Summary (NFHS page 70) I do not see "Indirect Technical" listed under the "Type Foul" column. It is not a separate foul, it is a byproduct of a technical foul against bench personnel, assistant coaches, or a disqualified player. It is recorded separately so we can keep track of how many direct or indirect tech a coach has, but it is not a separate foul in and of itself.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

......it is not a separate foul in and of itself.

Now we're playing word games. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. An indirect is what it is. It has its own definition: 4-19-5e (right under direct) It is recorded in the score book, separate from anything else, and it alone can get the coach sent home.

But, no, it doesn't count as a team foul.

Asked and answered. Move on, counselor.

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

Just that every technical foul you can call adds to the team foul count. We cannot call an indirect technical....it is something that naturally results from one of the penalties I mentioned above. It's just a handy way to remember :)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is a separate foul which most definitely is charged to the head coach. If he gets a total of any 3 technical fouls, including indirect, he is gone.

Originally Posted by AremRed

Just that every technical foul you can call adds to the team foul count. We cannot call an indirect technical....it is something that naturally results from one of the penalties I mentioned above. It's just a handy way to remember

I agree with AremRed. An indirect technical is NOT a separate foul. It is part of another technical foul committed by someone else that for which the coach is held accountable. There is only one foul committed...and it isn't' by the coach...otherwise it would be direct. In fact, every other technical foul is actually a "direct" but there is no need for the distinction since only the head coach is held responsible for the actions of others on the team and there are no indirects for anyone else.