Correctable Error Case Play

[jdd1172]

The correctable error has to be recognized by an official no later than during the first dead ball after the clock has properly started. Changing possession doesn't constitute a dead ball.
A2 shoots 1 and 1 (should be 2 shots)= live ball
misses first one, B1 rebounds = live ball
A2 steals ball = live ball
B3 rejects shot, B4 has possession = live ball
ball goes out of bounds = dead ball
scorer realizes they made an error on free throws = correctable.

[ballgame99]

This is funny, I was reading this yesterday and noticed that as well. The one that really sounded funny to me was in that same section where there is a foul and Team A should be in the 1 and 1, but the officials allow A to inbound, Team A scores, then the error is caught. The case book says count the bucket and allow A to shoot bonus free throws. That just sounded wrong to me.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

This is funny, I was reading this yesterday and noticed that as well. The one that really sounded funny to me was in that same section where there is a foul and Team A should be in the 1 and 1, but the officials allow A to inbound, Team A scores, then the error is caught. The case book says count the bucket and allow A to shoot bonus free throws. That just sounded wrong to me.

Why does that sound wrong? We don't want to cancel any action that has occurred.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by deecee

Why does that sound wrong? We don't want to cancel any action that has occurred.

Because we could potentially give team A two possessions for the price of one, like Bob said. In this case, am I reading it right that once the next dead ball has ended the error can no longer be corrected? So this means that if team B inbounds the ball following the basket in question, its too late? Play on?

[phife23]

Still looking for the answer.....if you consider Situation H a change of possession dont you have to consider Situation A a change of possession........

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by phife23

Still looking for the answer.....if you consider Situation H a change of possession dont you have to consider Situation A a change of possession........

You can look at 2.10.1G (2011-12 reference -- the one with the held ball) to get an idea of what the FED considers change of posession -- and it seems to be "change ... after the clock starts", so in A there has been no change (B had it the whole time the clock was running)

Still, you won't get a definitive answer here -- most (I think) think that case A is wrong, but since they haven't changed it, you need to decide on your own what to do.

H really has nothing to do with this. The "change of posession" only applies when ther is a failure to award FTs; in H unmerited FTs were awarded.

[Camron Rust]

There was on contradiction until a few years ago. Until then, B, having earned the rebound would get the ball after the correction. The ball is in A's possession for the FTs and when B rebounds the ball, that is a change of possession. I'm going with that if it ever happens in my game.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by phife23

Still looking for the answer.....if you consider Situation H a change of possession dont you have to consider Situation A a change of possession........

one thought ... In the case where the player is supposed to get 2 and only gets 1 and 1, the error hasn't occured when the ball is at A's disposal. The error only occurs when B rebounds and A is not awarded the 2nd shot. So there has been no change in possession after the error. "Anouncing" 1 and 1 is not the error so at no point during A's possession during the free throw has an error occured.

This is different from when A gets shots and were supposed to get none. The error occurs as soon as A is granted the unmerited free throw. The rebound by B would be a change of possession after the error.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Because we could potentially give team A two possessions for the price of one, like Bob said. In this case, am I reading it right that once the next dead ball has ended the error can no longer be corrected? So this means that if team B inbounds the ball following the basket in question, its too late? Play on?

It's the next dead ball after the clock has started. And, B doesn't even need to inbound the ball -- it just needs to be at their disposal.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jdd1172

The correctable error has to be recognized by an official no later than during the first dead ball after the clock has properly started. Changing possession doesn't constitute a dead ball.
A2 shoots 1 and 1 (should be 2 shots)= live ball
misses first one, B1 rebounds = live ball
A2 steals ball = live ball
B3 rejects shot, B4 has possession = live ball
ball goes out of bounds = dead ball
scorer realizes they made an error on free throws = correctable.

All correct, of course, but doesn't match the (either) case play presented at the beginning.

There's no doubt that the first case is still correctable (so A gets the FTs) -- the question is do you resume with a throw in to B or resume from A's FTs? Does the "unless there has been no change of possession" clause in the rule apply? If you believe the case, then the answer is "yes".

Originally Posted by ballgame99

This is funny, I was reading this yesterday and noticed that as well. The one that really sounded funny to me was in that same section where there is a foul and Team A should be in the 1 and 1, but the officials allow A to inbound, Team A scores, then the error is caught. The case book says count the bucket and allow A to shoot bonus free throws. That just sounded wrong to me.

It sounds wrong because it seems (to most) to be "unfair." But, it is correct according to the rule. I have often said that the CE rule is such that *BOTH* teams are incented to get it right before the error because they don't know what will happen after. "("Shh .. don't say anything but A should be shooting FTs and instead they are just taking the ball OOB. ... What do you mean they can now turn this into a 4-point play!? ")