just a little note- travel and coaches

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I agree with both of you guys. However, I think you are talking on different levels here. What JRut is saying is the norm in college. What Bryan is saying is the norm in HS. Hell, these norms might even be switched depending on what college conferences or HS state you live in.

I don't see a way to prove one philosophy better than the other, so perhaps just agree to disagree.

I do not treat coaches at the college level that much differently then I do at the high school level. That takes too much work on my part to make all these distinctions. What is different about college coaches, they realize they have to coach or they will lose their jobs soon enough. College coaches this is mostly their job, so they better know how to speak to officials or be looking for work.

And no one is trying to prove one is more right. I just showing what works for one person, does not necessarily work for another person. IT is not about being right. I have been around enough to see officials do all kinds of things different and get to the same goal with the coach.

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not treat coaches at the college level that much differently then I do at the high school level. That takes too much work on my part to make all these distinctions. What is different about college coaches, they realize they have to coach or they will lose their jobs soon enough. College coaches this is mostly their job, so they better know how to speak to officials or be looking for work.

And no one is trying to prove one is more right. I just showing what works for one person, does not necessarily work for another person. IT is not about being right. I have been around enough to see officials do all kinds of things different and get to the same goal with the coach.

Peace

I don't believe there is no one way to treat everybody. Whether that's coaches, players, fans, table personnel, etc. Go into the coach's meeting with an open mind, get a reading on the type of person the coach is, and work that way. That may mean being a hard-ass, ignoring them, passing them off to a partner(s), etc.

And you don't have to be like me. I'm just trying to clarify my stance, and that is I don't go into a game wanting to be friends with coaches. I go into a game wanting to figure out the best way to work with one another so the game goes off without any real problems.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I don't believe there is no one way to treat everybody.

That is all I was saying if you were paying attention. And what works with on official, will not necessarily work with another no matter how you approach these situations. Some of us are tall, short, fat, muscular build and athletic. You think many people are messing with an official that is a 6'5 guy compared to a 5'2 guy?

Originally Posted by BryanV21

And you don't have to be like me. I'm just trying to clarify my stance, and that is I don't go into a game wanting to be friends with coaches. I go into a game wanting to figure out the best way to work with one another so the game goes off without any real problems.

Bryan I do not know you to like you or hate you. I have just been around long enough and been to enough camps to see the multiple different styles of communication people use. I cannot stand when people think one way works with everyone when it comes to communication styles.

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is all I was saying if you were paying attention. And what works with on official, will not necessarily work with another no matter how you approach these situations. Some of us are tall, short, fat, muscular build and athletic. You think many people are messing with an official that is a 6'5 guy compared to a 5'2 guy?



Bryan I do not know you to like you or hate you. I have just been around long enough and been to enough camps to see the multiple different styles of communication people use. I cannot stand when people think one way works with everyone when it comes to communication styles.

Peace

I meant that coaches don't have to like me. I'm way too new around here for you or somebody else here to hate me. But give it time. LOL

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not treat coaches at the college level that much differently then I do at the high school level.

I realize that, but I think that is due to the fact that you have done college ball. A guy who only does HS may have never been exposed to college philosophies, and thus would interact with coaches differently. Make sense?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I realize that, but I think that is due to the fact that you have done college ball. A guy who only does HS may have never been exposed to college philosophies, and thus would interact with coaches differently. Make sense?

I do not approach these conversations from a college official standpoint as if I do not work high school. My schedule is mostly high school games. Officiating is officiating. And most of the successful officials I know in basketball are college officials because they understand that the same concepts used at one level works at the lower levels. And when officials think that there is this vast difference, they really do not understand officiating. Almost every done from the pros is the same things we do in college or high school. The difference is the higher levels talk about these things more than they do at the high school level. High school officials often think there is this drastic philosophy difference without understanding what is even talked about.

And for the record, my main college supervisor is one of my high school supervisors. He talks about the very same things at both levels as to how to apply rules and deal with coaches.

Peace