Dayton IPFW - Travel

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Right, because if that was the case any time a player dove for a ball, caught it, then landed while still holding the ball it would be a travel and as we know – or should know – that player can land and slide all the way down the floor without committing a violation. The “falling to the floor” deal assumes A1 was upright and holding a live ball before (s)he fell.

I disagree, with respect to NFHS rules. No such assumption is made, and any player who falls to the floor with possession of the ball has traveled regardless of his initial position.

Players are only exempt from this if they gain control while already on the floor.

[potato]

Does it matter how the player fell, say on his butt? Maybe there was an incidental contact that made him loose balance and fall on his butt?

Also this means if a player dives for a would be out of bound ball and doesn't let go of the ball before his body reach the floor he gets a travel? In this case what if he let go of the ball after getting the ball and let's go of the ball before his body touches the floor and regain possession of the ball after he's on the floor?

Originally Posted by Adam

I disagree, with respect to NFHS rules. No such assumption is made, and any player who falls to the floor with possession of the ball has traveled regardless of his initial position.

Players are only exempt from this if they gain control while already on the floor.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by potato

Does it matter how the player fell, say on his butt? Maybe there was an incidental contact that made him loose balance and fall on his butt?

Of course this matters. Incidental contact means it has no effect on the play, so a travel would still be the call. Non-incidental contact would be a foul on the offending player, causing the ball to become dead so the travel would not matter.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Of course this matters. Incidental contact means it has no effect on the play, so a travel would still be the call. Non-incidental contact would be a foul on the offending player, causing the ball to become dead so the travel would not matter.

Incidental contact does not necessarily mean it had no impact. Incidental contact could also be contact for which the player who fell is responsible, or contact for which neither player was responsible; even if that contact knocks one or both players to the floor.

[OKREF]

NFHS. If a player goes to the ground with possession of the ball, it's a travel.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by potato

Does it matter how the player fell, say on his butt? Maybe there was an incidental contact that made him loose balance and fall on his butt?

Impossible. If the contact "made him loose [sic] balance" then it wasn't incidental.

Also this means if a player dives for a would be out of bound ball and doesn't let go of the ball before his body reach the floor he gets a travel?

No. He "gets" an OOB violation.

In this case what if he let go of the ball after getting the ball and let's go of the ball before his body touches the floor and regain possession of the ball after he's on the floor?

If he's still OOB, then it's an OOB violation. If he's inbounds, then it's legal. He might have "used" his dribble.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

I disagree, with respect to NFHS rules. No such assumption is made, and any player who falls to the floor with possession of the ball has traveled regardless of his initial position.

Players are only exempt from this if they gain control while already on the floor.

In the NFHS it's clearly spelled out with a case play, so definitely no dispute there.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In the NFHS it's clearly spelled out with a case play, so definitely no dispute there.

And the rule is clear (at least to me)