End of game foul

[Sharpshooternes]

Just processing in my head. Is their any difference between
Jump for try, foul, horn, release, land.

or

Jump for try, horn, foul, release, land?

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Just processing in my head. Is their any difference between
Jump for try, foul, horn, release, land.

or

Jump for try, horn, foul, release, land?

Yes. (NFHS)

First situation: wipe the shot, as it was released late. Award the free throws with the lane cleared. If the end of the game, and the shots will not affect the final score, report the foul and that's it.

Second situation: ignore the foul unless intentional or flagrant.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yes. (NFHS)

First situation: wipe the shot, as it was released late. Award the free throws with the lane cleared. If the end of the game, and the shots will not affect the final score, report the foul and that's it.
Second situation: ignore the foul unless intentional or flagrant.

correct answer, but I would not even report the foul (unless flagrant) in that specific situation

[APG]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yes. (NFHS)

First situation: wipe the shot, as it was released late. Award the free throws with the lane cleared. If the end of the game, and the shots will not affect the final score, report the foul and that's it.

Second situation: ignore the foul unless intentional or flagrant.

I would say in situation one, you only wipe the shot off if you don't have definite knowledge of how much time should be on the clock at the time of the foul. Otherwise if you do (have knowledge), put that time back on the clock and count the basket if applicable.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

I would say in situation one, you only wipe the shot off if you don't have definite knowledge of how much time should be on the clock at the time of the foul. Otherwise if you do (have knowledge), put that time back on the clock and count the basket if applicable.

Agree.

Originally Posted by APG

I would say in situation one, you only wipe the shot off if you don't have definite knowledge of how much time should be on the clock at the time of the foul. Otherwise if you do (have knowledge), put that time back on the clock and count the basket if applicable.

Correct, I was envisioning the situation in the OP being so close that the timer didn't have time to stop the clock, but it was clear that the horn went off before the shot. Unless you have definite (read: looking at the clock) knowledge of the time left, you can't put time back on the clock.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Correct, I was envisioning the situation in the OP being so close that the timer didn't have time to stop the clock, but it was clear that the horn went off before the shot. Unless you the crew has have definite (read: looking at the clock) knowledge of the time left, you can't put time back on the clock.

We sometimes forget to get information from all parties.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

We sometimes forget to get information from all parties.

The "you" in my post is plural :D

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by AremRed

The "you" in my post is plural

Then you should have said, "ya'll" or "you-uns"

[maven]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Then you should have said, "ya'll" or "you-uns"

Or, in some parts, "all y'all."

[just another ref]

Has anyone ever seen the OP actually happen?

1. I know the foul was before the buzzer.

2. I know the release was after the buzzer, so the basket doesn't count but we still shoot.

As written, this is the way it is. But there is a fundamental flaw here. If I know the above things are true, then I also know that the clock should have stopped with some small amount of time still showing. If this is not the case, the airborne shooter should be allowed to finish his try regardless of when the buzzer sounded if he is fouled. Perhaps an editorial revision/minor rule change is in order.

[bob jenkins]

Yes I have seen it, and I disagree that there is a fundamental flaw. I do understand the logic, and wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a change, but any time you choose to put back on the clock is just as arbitrary as zero.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes I have seen it, and I disagree that there is a fundamental flaw. I do understand the logic, and wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a change, but any time you choose to put back on the clock is just as arbitrary as zero.

If there was a change, I wouldn't be for putting time back on the clock, but rather that an airborne shooter be allowed to finish after being fouled, even if the finish is after the buzzer.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Has anyone ever seen the OP actually happen?

1. I know the foul was before the buzzer.

2. I know the release was after the buzzer, so the basket doesn't count but we still shoot.

As written, this is the way it is. But there is a fundamental flaw here. If I know the above things are true, then I also know that the clock should have stopped with some small amount of time still showing. If this is not the case, the airborne shooter should be allowed to finish his try regardless of when the buzzer sounded if he is fouled. Perhaps an editorial revision/minor rule change is in order.

I have seen it, once, and I ruled incorrectly.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If there was a change, I wouldn't be for putting time back on the clock, but rather that an airborne shooter be allowed to finish after being fouled, even if the finish is after the buzzer.

That would be good...and the "right" solution.

With the presence of the foul, the shooter may have been able to release the shot before the buzzer. As such, it isn't entirely fair or just to not allow them to complete the shot if fouled before the horn.