Foul at end of the game

[Voolander]

Team A is down 1 when they intercept the ball from Team B on B's side of the court. Team A attempts to shoot the ball, official blows whistle for foul and horn sounds simultaneously, should Team A be awarded 2 free throws?

[maven]

It wasn't simultaneous; something happened first. If the foul happened first, then you're shooting (with the lane cleared). If the horn happened first, game over.

[BillyMac]

Not sure that this helps, but it's all I've got for now:

3-13: If the red/LED light fails to illuminate and the timer’s signal fails to sound, or is
not recognized by the officials, the timer shall go onto the court or use other
means to immediately notify the nearest official. If in the meantime, a goal has
been made or a foul has occurred, the referee shall consult the timer:

ART. 1 If table officials agree that time expired before the ball was in flight,
the goal shall not count.

ART. 2 If table officials agree that the quarter or extra period ended, as in
5-6-2 before the foul occurred, the foul shall be disregarded, unless it was
intentional or flagrant.

ART. 3 If table officials disagree, the goal shall count and/or the foul shall
be penalized, unless the referee has knowledge which alters such ruling.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Voolander

Team A is down 1 when they intercept the ball from Team B on B's side of the court. Team A attempts to shoot the ball, official blows whistle for foul and horn sounds simultaneously, should Team A be awarded 2 free throws?

First, I'm assuming that this was not a throw-in pass with .3 or less on the clock. According to the sequence of events in your description, there should be free throws.

interception

start of try

whistle/horn


A release of the shot is not necessary to have free throws in this situation, if that's what you are asking.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

A release of the shot is not necessary to have free throws in this situation, if that's what you are asking.

Good point.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by maven

It wasn't simultaneous; something happened first. If the foul happened first, then you're shooting (with the lane cleared). If the horn happened first, game over.

Why can't 2 separate events happen simultaneously?

[Voolander]

The ref in question said both events happened at the same time and he ended the game. I think I have what I need to make me feel better. I witnessed this call and the official wouldn't listen to me. He indicated that since both events happened at the exact same time the game is over. The foul in this situation would've put Team A in the double bonus. I think he's wrong, but it is water under the bridge now.

[BktBallRef]

It has nothing to do with the whistle. If the foul occurs before the horn, you shoot FTs. And since the whistle always comes after the foul, there's your answer.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

It has nothing to do with the whistle. If the foul occurs before the horn, you shoot FTs. And since the whistle always comes after the foul, there's your answer.

Great point.

[Blindolbat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good point.

Had this happen to me the other day in a JVG game. Called a foul on defense as horn was going off and ball came out of hands after the buzzer. Gave two free throws and the coach wasn't too happy. Of course my partner questioned my interpretation as well, but I felt pretty confident.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Why can't 2 separate events happen simultaneously?

You mean like a multiple foul?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

It has nothing to do with the whistle. If the foul occurs before the horn, you shoot FTs. And since the whistle always comes after the foul, there's your answer.

Agreed, and if you don't know which happened first, then the foul happened first.

[Voolander]

Well to make matters worse, the team that got fouled was in the double bonus so the shot coming out didn't matter. I strongly believe based on what I've read here that foul at the horn should've resulted in FTs.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Voolander

Well to make matters worse, the team that got fouled was in the double bonus so the shot coming out didn't matter. I strongly believe based on what I've read here that foul at the horn should've resulted in FTs.

Maybe.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you don't know which happened first, then the foul happened first.

Based on this: "If table officials disagree, the goal shall count and/or the foul shall be penalized, unless the referee has knowledge which alters such ruling."?