Shirt untucked

[Sharpshooternes]

So around these parts, it seems to be that officials just ask the players to tuck in their shorts before we resume play. The NFHS book is pretty clear that any player with an untucked shirt must leave the game and return once the situation is remedied and at the next legal time to substitute.
What do you all do in your little corners and what are your thoughts on our practice?

[Lcubed48]

Yes, it's a rule. However, I can only remember sending off one player in a JV contest years ago. It isn't something that gets a lot of focus from me or those here in the commonwealth.

[grunewar]

I won't let a player in the game, at the table, if his shirt is untucked.

If there is a dead ball (foul shot, inbounding) and I have the opportunity to say something to a player, I'll tell them to tuck it in.

I have, on occasion come across that "one player" who likes to pull his shirt out intentionally. He, I have reminded, and then asked him to leave the game when he does it repetitively, and said something to his coach.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I won't let a player in the game, at the table, if his shirt is untucked. If there is a dead ball (foul shot, inbounding) and I have the opportunity to say something to a player, I'll tell them to tuck it in. I have, on occasion come across that "one player" who likes to pull his shirt out intentionally. He, I have reminded, and then asked him to leave the game when he does it repetitively, and said something to his coach.

Same way we handle it here in my little corner of Connecticut.

[Sharpshooternes]

3-3-5: A player not wearing the pants/skirt properly and above the hips and/or a player not tucking in a team jersey (front and back) designed to be worn inside the pants/skirt, shall be directed to leave the game as in 3-3-4; a charged TO shall not alter this requirement.

I can see how the wording of this can mean if you ask someone to tuck in their shirt and they don't, then you direct them to leave the game. I can also read it the other way.

I am really ok with either one and with the suggestions already mentioned that if one or two reminders don't fix the problem then send them out. I do bet however that if you sent out the first person who did it in the game you wouldn't have any issues for the rest of that game and if all of the officials did it, you wouldn't have any issues ever. Except when the opposing team learns that if they untuck the star players shirt they will have to sit If it was enforced early and often, the issue would disappear altogether. Go John Stockton!!!

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Except when the opposing team learns that if they untuck the star players shirt they will have to sit

We actually discussed that scenario in a rules interpretation years ago. The decision was to T the kid who pulled out the opponent's jersey

In terms of the Stockton comments, I've used a variation of that when kids think I'm too picky. I'll tell them, "Hey, in the (W)NBA players get fined for having their jersey hanging out. If they can do it, you can do it."

[RookieDude]

..."if I have to have my shirt tucked in...so do you!"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

3-3-5: A player not wearing the pants/skirt properly and above the hips and/or a player not tucking in a team jersey (front and back) designed to be worn inside the pants/skirt, shall be directed to leave the game as in 3-3-4; a charged TO shall not alter this requirement.

I can see how the wording of this can mean if you ask someone to tuck in their shirt and they don't, then you direct them to leave the game. I can also read it the other way.

I am really ok with either one and with the suggestions already mentioned that if one or two reminders don't fix the problem then send them out. I do bet however that if you sent out the first person who did it in the game you wouldn't have any issues for the rest of that game and if all of the officials did it, you wouldn't have any issues ever. Except when the opposing team learns that if they untuck the star players shirt they will have to sit If it was enforced early and often, the issue would disappear altogether. Go John Stockton!!!

Sure, you'd have no problems with it the rest of the game. You'd also start seeing your games get progressively worse (the assignments) as you became known as "that guy." You'll have rule backing, but you really don't want to be a lone ranger on this issue.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Sure, you'd have no problems with it the rest of the game. You'd also start seeing your games get progressively worse (the assignments) as you became known as "that guy." You'll have rule backing, but you really don't want to be a lone ranger on this issue.

Not necessarily. There are some assignors who expect their officials to take care of it that way. Can't imagine their schedules getting worse for doing what the assignor asks.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Adam

Sure, you'd have no problems with it the rest of the game. You'd also start seeing your games get progressively worse (the assignments) as you became known as "that guy." You'll have rule backing, but you really don't want to be a lone ranger on this issue.

Agree with the lone ranger thing.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

The NFHS book is pretty clear that any player with an untucked shirt must leave the game and return once the

That's not how I remember it -- do you have a reference (I don't have my case book here). I remember it that if they refuse, or if they intentionally pull it out, then send them off.

And, yes, it's an "address it first before you send them off" type of rule.

[JetMetFan]

*NFHS 3.3.5 SITUATION A: B1 fouls A1. Just before A1 goes to the line for a one-and-one, the official observes: (a) A1 pull the jersey out of his/her pants; or (b) A1’s pants being worn below the hips. RULING: In both (a) and (b), A1 will be directed to put the jersey in the pants or pull up the pants, and must leave the game immediately following his/her last free throw(s). The lane is cleared for the free throw and Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in, whether or not the last free throw is successful. COMMENT: A charged time-out by Team A does not alter the requirement for A1 to leave the game.

[JRutledge]

In the real world we allow them every opportunity to put their shirt back in their pants/shorts in order to play. I am not taking a kid out of the game just because it is untucked. For one many jerseys do not fit properly or are short. If we took players out of the game every time, we would be doing this 20 times a game.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

In the real world we allow them every opportunity to put their shirt back in their pants/shorts in order to play. I am not taking a kid out of the game just because it is untucked. For one many jerseys do not fit properly or are short. If we took players out of the game every time, we would be doing this 20 times a game.

Peace

+1

Exactly my thoughts on this.

[Adam]

Two seasons ago, I reminded the same player two or three times in the first half. We decided at half time to send him out if it happened again. First dead ball of the third quarter, he's got it untucked (all the way) again. I ask the coach for a sub, and let him know why.

His shirt miraculously fit better the rest of the game, and stayed tucked.
I had him two days later, and this time there were no half-time miracles needed. It stayed tucked the entire game, and he and I had a pretty good raport that game.