Thoughts? (video)

[just another ref]

The whole problem is the use of the word similar.


Similar is a broad term.



Individual plays are not painted with a broad brush.



Moreover, reflecting on the last play, similar or not, to make the call at hand is at best, unnecessary, and possibly troublesome.

jmo

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The whole problem is the use of the word similar.


Similar is a broad term.



Individual plays are not painted with a broad brush.



Moreover, reflecting on the last play, similar or not, to make the call at hand is at best, unnecessary, and possibly troublesome.

jmo

Yes, it's a broad term. It's meant to be. It's also not good advice for new officials. Those who are capable of understanding when to apply it, though....

The fact that some people don't grasp it well doesn't mean it's not valid.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

Yes, it's a broad term. It's meant to be. It's also not good advice for new officials. Those who are capable of understanding when to apply it, though....

The fact that some people don't grasp it well doesn't mean it's not valid.

We do not give newer officials the credit to understand things because we were inept when we started. Some individuals that are newer, coaches and played the game before they became officials. Many of them that did understand a lot of things quicker then those that might not have. It does not mean that is an automatic, but if you understand the thinking of a coach or a player when you do this, you might grasp a concept of what to do inside of that game a lot quicker.

And forget the college level, if you do not understand that concept at the high school level, you will not work certain conferences, tournaments or even the varsity level at all. At the very least a play like this in the OP, you would have to defend why one was a foul and not the other. And that explanation is going to be more then what is shown on tape.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

At the very least a play like this in the OP, you would have to defend why one was a foul and not the other. And that explanation is going to be more then what is shown on tape.

Amen to that. Play #1 in the OP was going to be a tough sell to an observer/assigner – or in this case, the person who assigns the D2 NCAAW tournament – to begin with. To follow it up with the non-call at the other end and you have issues. That’s two plays in the last 40 seconds of OT in an NCAA tournament game that you have to explain. Not an enviable position to be in.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

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Moreover, reflecting on the last play, similar or not, to make the call at hand is at best, unnecessary, and possibly troublesome.

jmo

I have no problem with the concept or its application. And working for several supervisors and a multitude of partners I'm expected to recognize what is and isn't similar for that game.

[twocentsworth]

I know I'm "late to the party" here.....but in the "real world" of officiating, neither of these plays deserve a whistle. The practical application of the rules that apply in these two plays mean that the officials acted appropriately in NOT having a whistle......

I'll let the forum return to its semantical argument over "similar" and other frivolous thoughts.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

I know I'm "late to the party" here.....but in the "real world" of officiating, neither of these plays deserve a whistle. The practical application of the rules that apply in these two plays mean that the officials acted appropriately in NOT having a whistle......
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Uh, there was a whistle on the first play, which most folks agreed should not have been a whistle. So you are 1 for 2 on observatory skills

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

I know I'm "late to the party" here.....but in the "real world" of officiating, neither of these plays deserve a whistle. The practical application of the rules that apply in these two plays mean that the officials acted appropriately in NOT having a whistle......

I'll let the forum return to its semantical argument over "similar" and other frivolous thoughts.

I disagree (on the 2nd situation). I even disagree in the "real world" of officiating. If I see someone come across the lane both late and from a poor position and cause enough contact to send an airborne shooter the shooter to the floor, they're getting a foul.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

in the "real world" of officiating, neither of these plays deserve a whistle.

I’m with you on Play #1 but to follow up Camron’s point, why no whistle on Play #2? The player who hit the deck was still an airborne shooter when contact was made and the secondary defender definitely did not have LGP. Doesn’t a “real world” application of the rules include protecting the shooter all the way back down to the floor?

[Gish]

Is it possible the L saw the player getting the rebound and did not want to take points off the board?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Gish

Is it possible the L saw the player getting the rebound and did not want to take points off the board?

Shouldn't be an issue. Suppose the L thought A2 was getting the rebound then it bounced off A2's hands OOB? If you feel the contact earned A1 FTs, then give her the FTs.