Thoughts? (video)

[JetMetFan]

My $0.02 worth...

Play #1: The C assumed there was going to be contact so the called the first thing she saw.

Play #2: At a camp last year a pretty good official told me the following when I no-called a similar play...at this level when a player is airborne heading in one direction and then they change direction drastically, chances are they didn't do it on their own.

There's also an ant vs. elephant component to these two. C called an ant that really wasn't there on one end but then C and L - since he didn't pinch the paint - let the elephant go by at the other end.

[BillyMac]

1) Traveling. Easy peasey lemon squeezy.

2) Foul (Poor coaching, defender used wrong hand to block the ball, which resulted in "enough" contact on the airborne shooter to charge the foul).

Easy to call on videotape. I have no major problem with the calls made on the court in "real time". We all miss some, some more than others, but we all miss some.

[Raymond]

1) I have nothing, especially since the little contact that occurred came on the non-shooting arm.

2) Lead should have a secondary whistle on the play. C should have had a primary whistle but she took herself totally out of the play with here initial positioning. She was all worried about A1 when she was 30 feet from the basket but then when A1 drives to the basket the C is nowhere to be found.

[Raymond]

For those who say A1 travelled on the first play I say the travel was caused by the defender on the floor bumping into A1's legs.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

For those who say A1 traveled on the first play I say the travel was caused by the defender on the floor bumping into A1's legs.

I disagree, but I can see your point. If, indeed, you want to go that route, and I have no major problem with that, then make sure to not count the basket (travel before the shot, no continuation), and go with a common foul (Overtime? Maybe one and one, or double bonus?).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I disagree, but I can see your point. If, indeed, you want to go that route, and I have no major problem with that, then make sure to not count the basket (travel before the shot, no continuation), and go with a common foul (Overtime? Maybe one and one, or double bonus?).

I'm pretty confident that my D3 supervisors would had no problem with no whistle at all on this play from start to finish. However I think they would have had a problem with calling a travel on a player who got bumped. In that case they would want a common foul to be called on the player on the floor.

But I think, IMHO, that no one would have had a problem with nothing being called here.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

No one would have had a problem with nothing being called here.

Sounds good.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm pretty confident that my D3 supervisors would had no problem with no whistle at all on this play from start to finish. However I think they would have had a problem with calling a travel on a player who got bumped. In that case they would want a common foul to be called on the player on the floor.

But I think, IMHO, that no one would have had a problem with nothing being called here.

Same here. I can live with a complete "play on" on Play #1 and I think my D3 supervisors would agree with yours. What I obviously can't live with is calling something that really isn't even marginal at one end but then a kid ends up on the floor 17 seconds (3 possessions) of game time later at the other end and nothing is called.

Here's a question for you, BNR, and everyone else: Put yourself in the L's shoes on Play #2. You see that play coming at you and you see the contact an the kid hits the deck. Does the thought, "I need to put a whistle on this, even if it's late, given what happened at the other end" go through your head?

Regardless of the answer I can see how it might because I can't say I wouldn't go through mine.