inbounds question

[eltgabs]

On a full court inbounds pass the ball hits a flag hanging from the rafters and the ball falls to midcourt. The referees determined that it was a dead ball and awarded the ball to the opponent at the same spot (under their basket). This ruling sounds valid to me, but my questions are: A) Was this the correct ruling? B) If the ruling was correct, where in the rule book could this be referred to ? C) If the ruling was incorrect, what is the correct ruling?

Thanks in advance for all responses

[bob jenkins]

correct. the ball hitting the ceiling is OOB, so it was an inbounding violation and the ball returns to the original spot.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by eltgabs

On a full court inbounds pass the ball hits a flag hanging from the rafters and the ball falls to midcourt. The referees determined that it was a dead ball and awarded the ball to the opponent at the same spot (under their basket).

Rule 7-1-2a4: The ball is out of bounds when it touches...the ceiling, overhead equipment or supports.

Rule 9-2-2: The ball shall be passed by the thrower directly into the court from out-of-bounds so it touches or is touched by another player on the court before going out of bounds untouched.

Rule 9-2 PENALTY: The ball becomes dead when the violation...occurs. ...the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds spot nearest the violation.

Since the violation is the error of the thrower, the administration of the subsequent throw in would be at the designated spot nearest where the thrower inner attempted to make the throw in, unless between the lane lines extended in which case it would be at a location outside the nearest lane line extended.

Sound correct?

[eltgabs]

Where can I refer to in the rule book?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by eltgabs

Where can I refer to in the rule book?

Cf. multitude of references. These are numbers which correspond to various parts of the rules that apply to the answers to your questions. The rulebook, which goes in numerical order from front to back, will have those references in the locations noted by the numbered references.
It might be tricky at first, but it gets easier to work one's way around in the rulebook the more one does it.
Wish you the best!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by eltgabs

On a full court inbounds pass the ball hits a flag hanging from the rafters and the ball falls to midcourt.

Hey rookies, let's say that the ball touches B1 (inbounds) before hitting the flag? Where does A1 get the ball for the throwin?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by eltgabs

On a full court inbounds pass the ball hits a flag hanging from the rafters and the ball falls to midcourt.

Hey rookies, and veterans, let's say that the ball touches B1, who is hanging from the flag. Where does A1 get the ball for the throwin? Stupid? Yes. Good thought provoking question? Yes again.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Cf. multitude of references. These are numbers which correspond to various parts of the rules that apply to the answers to your questions. The rulebook, which goes in numerical order from front to back, will have those references in the locations noted by the numbered references.
It might be tricky at first, but it gets easier to work one's way around in the rulebook the more one does it.
Wish you the best!

Geez, Freddy. He asked that question just moments after you posted the references. My guess is that he was replying to bob and your post got in before his.

[dsavitzky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Hey rookies, and veterans, let's say that the ball touches B1, who is hanging from the flag. Where does A1 get the ball for the throwin? Stupid? Yes. Good thought provoking question? Yes again.

9-3-2 says "No player shall be out of bounds when he/she touches or is touched by the ball after it has been released on a throw-in pass."

By touching the flag, B1 is considered out of bounds and touching the ball after the throw-in.

9-3 penalty puts the ball in that case at the designated OOB spot nearest the violation, which would be the OOB spot closest to the flag and the player.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Geez, Freddy. He asked that question just moments after you posted the references. My guess is that he was replying to bob and your post got in before his.

By golly Cameron, you are correct. For my ill-timed attempt at humor and sarcasm directed at eltgabs I apologize.

On the upside, I do have "Better Clock Awareness" on my list of areas for improvement this coming season.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Hey rookies, and veterans, let's say that the ball touches B1, who is hanging from the flag. Where does A1 get the ball for the throwin? Stupid? Yes. Good thought provoking question? Yes again.

Sounds like a trick question ... hopefully I have something on the person hanging from the flag first before the ball gets to them. Leaving the court for an unauthorized reason?

[ontheway]

Originally Posted by dsavitzky

9-3-2 says "No player shall be out of bounds when he/she touches or is touched by the ball after it has been released on a throw-in pass."

By touching the flag, B1 is considered out of bounds and touching the ball after the throw-in.

9-3 penalty puts the ball in that case at the designated OOB spot nearest the violation, which would be the OOB spot closest to the flag and the player.

IF B1 is touching the flag and is considered OOB then why would the designated spot not be where the thrower was originally?

[APG]

Originally Posted by ontheway

IF B1 is touching the flag and is considered OOB then why would the designated spot not be where the thrower was originally?

Where do you put the ball for any OOB violation?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ontheway

IF B1 is touching the flag and is considered OOB then why would the designated spot not be where the thrower was originally?

There's a difference between throwing the ball out-of-bounds untouched and throwing a ball that touches a player who is out of bounds

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's a difference between throwing the ball out-of-bounds untouched and throwing a ball that touches a player who is out of bounds

Bingo. Give that man a cigar.