Inbounds (Backcourt Question)

[WindyCityRef]

Was watching a Girls Varsity Sectional Semi game the other day. A1 inbounding the ball under her basket on the baseline throws the ball to A2 who is standing 'on' the division line. A2 catches the ball. Backcourt Violation?

I thought it should have been. Refs at the game called nothing.

[ChuckElias]

There's no team control on the throw-in, so it's ok to catch the ball in the backcourt or on the midcourt line (which is the same thing). Refs got it right.

[firedoc]

Referees were, as usual, correct. No team control on a throw in so there can't be an over-and-back call.

[WindyCityRef]

Ok, so if she had one foot in the BC and one foot in the FC she would be ok also?

[DownTownTonyBrown]

There can be no back court violation until front court status is established by the team.

Yes, can inbound to a player with one or both feet in the backcourt. Once the team has established control in their frontcourt then there is a possibility for a backcourt violation... but not until that frontcourt has been established.

[Stan]

Originally posted by WindyCityRef
Ok, so if she had one foot in the BC and one foot in the FC she would be ok also?

Yes

[firedoc]

Once she obtains possession straddling the division line, if she raises the foot in the backcourt she then has frontcourt status. If she then replaces the foot in the back court...tweet- over-and-back.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by firedoc
Once she obtains possession straddling the division line, if she raises the foot in the backcourt she then has frontcourt status. If she then replaces the foot in the back court...tweet- over-and-back.

I don't have the rulebook handy, but I was taught that you had to have *all three* (i.e., both feet and the ball) on the floor in front court before you established front court status. Am I in error?

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle

I don't have the rulebook handy, but I was taught that you had to have *all three* (i.e., both feet and the ball) on the floor in front court before you established front court status. Am I in error?

You cannot have a backcourt violation, without front court status being established. You have to have Team Control or Player Control before the ball can be set in the frontcourt by rule. And during a throw-in, neither can be present until someone grabs and takes control of the ball. Obviously there are no three points if the ball is thrown from the FC to the BC, because during a throw-in the ball is not by rule in the FC.

Peace

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by JRutledge

You cannot have a backcourt violation, without front court status being established. You have to have Team Control or Player Control before the ball can be set in the frontcourt by rule. And during a throw-in, neither can be present until someone grabs and takes control of the ball. Obviously there are no three points if the ball is thrown from the FC to the BC, because during a throw-in the ball is not by rule in the FC.

Peace

Jeff,

Thanks for your response. My question was in regard to firedoc's assertion: "Once she obtains possession straddling the division line, if she raises the foot in the backcourt she then has frontcourt status. If she then replaces the foot in the back court...tweet- over-and-back."

In this case it appears that both player and team control have been established in BC. The basis of my question was about whether or not the player had to have all three points in FC to establish FC status. Or, as firedoc asserted, if lifting the foot in BC while the remaining points were in FC was enough to establish FC status.

[w_sohl]

Originally posted by firedoc
Once she obtains possession straddling the division line, if she raises the foot in the backcourt she then has frontcourt status. If she then replaces the foot in the back court...tweet- over-and-back.

She can lift her backcourt foot up and down for 9.9999999999999999999999 seconds provided that when she puts it down it still is in the backcourt. All three, the ball and both feet, have to TOUCH the frount court to be considered in the frontcourt.

By the way, which is larger, the frontcourt or the backcourt? (I know the answer)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by JRutledge
[/B]

You have to have Team Control or Player Control before the ball can be set in the frontcourt by rule. And during a throw-in, neither can be present until someone grabs and takes control of the ball. [/B][/QUOTE]Why do they have to "grab" the ball on the throw-in to establish team or player control? Do you have a rules citation that will back that statement up? Can't they establish player control,and thus team control,by just tapping the ball to the floor with one hand and then dribbling,or even just dribbling immediately when they first touch the ball-without grabbing the ball at any time?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by w_sohl
By the way, which is larger, the frontcourt or the backcourt? (I know the answer)

Backcourt is larger by the width of the half-court line.

[RecRef]

Originally posted by w_sohl

She can lift her backcourt foot up and down for 9.9999999999999999999999 seconds provided that when she puts it down it still is in the backcourt. All three, the ball and both feet, have to TOUCH the frount court to be considered in the frontcourt.

Ah no, “all 3” only applies if she is dribbling.

[w_sohl]

Originally posted by RecRef

Ah no, “all 3” only applies if she is dribbling.

That's right, brain fart......