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Old Fri Sep 06, 2013, 05:15pm
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When does the ten second backcourt count start?
I think we have discussed this before but I was just watching one of my videos from summer camp and it got me wondering about it again. Is it upon the release or upon someone, anyone, touching it inbounds?

My gut is saying it starts on the first touch so that it is possible for there to be some delay between the pass and the start of the count. After a timeout, and A1 rolls the ball down the court and then someone picks it up at mid court. I am pretty sure there is no count until the touch as the clock does not run either.
Does it matter after, say, a made basket?
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Old Fri Sep 06, 2013, 05:26pm
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A ten second count starts when the ball is possessed. That is not necessarily when the clock starts if stopped.

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A ten second count starts when the ball is possessed.
Also known as the "Linda Blair Rule".
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I think we have discussed this before but I was just watching one of my videos from summer camp and it got me wondering about it again. Is it upon the release or upon someone, anyone, touching it inbounds?

My gut is saying it starts on the first touch so that it is possible for there to be some delay between the pass and the start of the count. After a timeout, and A1 rolls the ball down the court and then someone picks it up at mid court. I am pretty sure there is no count until the touch as the clock does not run either.
Does it matter after, say, a made basket?
Neither.

And no, it doesn't matter whether it's after a made basket.
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I think we have discussed this before but I was just watching one of my videos from summer camp and it got me wondering about it again. Is it upon the release or upon someone, anyone, touching it inbounds?
9-8 says that neither a player nor team shall be "in continuous control of of a ball which is in her backcourt for 10 seconds." So it would start when team control is established inbounds. Similarly on a pass from A1 to A2 in the frontcourt deflected by B1 into A's backcourt, a new 10-second count should start as soon as the ball moves into the backcourt because team control was not interrupted.
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Neither.

And no, it doesn't matter whether it's after a made basket.
I see what you did there. It isn't even the touching that starts the count it is CONTROLLING it in the BACKCOURT. I felt kinda silly even asking the question but I actually learned something from it. Thank you gents.
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Aren't they changing it this year to start on the touch?
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Aren't they changing it this year to start on the touch?
In NCAAW, yes.
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In NCAAW, yes.
I think it's also true in NCAAM
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I think that only applies to NCAA Women's.

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I think that only applies to NCAA Women's.

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Nope, it's NCAAM as well. An NCAAM supervisor - in a combined camp - told us that this summer.
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Nope, it's NCAAM as well. An NCAAM supervisor - in a combined camp - told us that this summer.
I only saw that change in the Women's announcements. I looked up the announcement and did not see that specific change. Do you have a reference?

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USA Today Article

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Both of these links seem to suggest this is only a Women's change. Maybe they did change the Men's rule, but they seem to not mention how they changed that rule. We have yet to have meetings and I do not have a rulebook yet, so maybe you are right.

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I have heard reports that it is both an NCAAW and NCAAM change...
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I have heard reports that it is both an NCAAW and NCAAM change...
I just peeked at the NCAAM rulebook at NCAA Publications - 2013-14 and 2014-15 Men's Basketball Rules. They have, indeed, changed the 10-second rule so that the count starts on the touch rather than possession (except for a rebound or a jump ball). In both cases there will be no visible count and the officials will use the shot clock to determine whether there is a violation.
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