When does the ten second backcourt count start?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Nope, it's NCAAM as well. An NCAAM supervisor - in a combined camp - told us that this summer.

I only saw that change in the Women's announcements. I looked up the announcement and did not see that specific change. Do you have a reference?

Peace

[JRutledge]

USA Today Article

NCAA Webpage

Both of these links seem to suggest this is only a Women's change. Maybe they did change the Men's rule, but they seem to not mention how they changed that rule. We have yet to have meetings and I do not have a rulebook yet, so maybe you are right.

Peace

[jeschmit]

I have heard reports that it is both an NCAAW and NCAAM change...

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

I have heard reports that it is both an NCAAW and NCAAM change...

I just peeked at the NCAAM rulebook at NCAA Publications - 2013-14 and 2014-15 Men's Basketball Rules. They have, indeed, changed the 10-second rule so that the count starts on the touch rather than possession (except for a rebound or a jump ball). In both cases there will be no visible count and the officials will use the shot clock to determine whether there is a violation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Lotto

...the 10-second rule so that the count starts on the touch rather than possession. In both cases there will be no visible count and the officials will use the shot clock to determine whether there is a violation.

I know more about quantitative molecular biological engineering than I know about NCAA rules, so here's my question. Previous to any recent changes, when did the shot clock start after a throwin, with a touch by the offensive team, or with possession by the offensive team?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I know more about quantitative molecular biological engineering than I know about NCAA rules, so here's my question. Previous to any recent changes, when did the shot clock start after a throwin, with a touch by the offensive team, or with possession by the offensive team?

According to NCAA 2-11-5 in the most recent combined rulebook (2011-13), these were the marching orders for the shot-clock operator.

Start the timing device when a player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in or when a team initially gains possession from a jump ball, an unsuccessful try for goal or when possession of a loose ball is gained after a jump ball or unsuccessful try for goal.

The wording is basically the same in the 2014-15 NCAAW rule book.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

... orders for the shot-clock operator. Start the timing device when a player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in ...

Thanks JetMetFan. So, let me see if I've got this straight (again, please be patient with me, I know more about metaphysics, and epistemology, than I know about college rules). Previous to any recent changes, the shot clock (touch), and the ten second count (possession), may not have started at the same time?

Note: I need to know this because, here in my little corner of Connecticut, prep schools (we currently service eight prep schools), use a set of hybrid NCAA/NFHS rules, with a shot clock used in varsity games, but not in subvarsity games. I always hope that my partner in these games is an NCAA official (most prep school assignments go to our top officials, and, often, but not always, our top officials include many NCAA officials) knowledgeable in shot clock rules. If not, then I read through the shot clock rules a few times before my game, including during the pregame, in the locker room, with my partner. Even with my limited knowledge of shot clock rules, I find that I usually know more than the shot clock operator, usually a student, usually a female student in boys games (go figure). Our local board guidelines regarding hybrid NCAA/NFHS rules allow us to replace the shot clock operator, or shut down the shot clock, if there are problems, and there usually are, otherwise we wouldn't have this option in our guidelines.