Disconcertion From The Bench

[stripes]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

STRIPES: I AM GOING TO STOP THIS NONSENSE NOW!! THE BEHAVIOR BY BENCH PERSONNEL DESCRIBED IN A POST ABOVE IS ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITED BY RULE: IT IS UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT AND IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE INTESTINAL FORTITUDE TO ENFORCE IT THEN GET THE HELL OUT OF THE BASKETBALL OFFICIATING PROFESSION! THERE IS NO DEFENSE THAT YOU CAN GIVE FOR FAILURE TO PENALIZE BENCH PERSONNEL FOR THIS TYPE OF CONDUCT! I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT YOU WOULD TAKE THE POSITION THAT THIS TYPE OF CONDUCT IS ALLOWED BY THE RULES!

MTD, Sr.

MTD, please stop shouting and get off your high horse. Don't try and patronize me by using bold font and capital letters. Shouting and high post counts don't make you right. Trying to tell me to leave officiating because you disagree with me is ludicrous. I don't know who died and made you the over-lord of officiating, but here is a news flash: you're not that guy. You don't know a thing about me, my officiating or my "intestinal fortitude." If you, or anyone else, wants to call things like this, I can't stop you, but what I end up doing in my games is cleaning up the mess from people doing things like this.

If you don't like my opinions, ignore them. I have found that easily done with you.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by stripes

Trying to tell me to leave officiating because you disagree with me is ludicrous.

I have to agree with this. The response from MTD was way out of proportion with the issue.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I have to agree with this. The response from MTD was way out of proportion with the issue.

I agree, this is mostly a non-issue or something solved with a quick word. I do not think we need to make much more out of it then that.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by stripes

Something to ignore.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Something solved with a quick word. I do not think we need to make much more out of it then that.

Agree 100% with JRutledge. "A quick word" is not ignoring.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree 100% with JRutledge. "A quick word" is not ignoring.

Put me in this camp too. and, while MTD was "over the top", I understand how he got there.

[RookieDude]

Thanks a lot guys...now I might pay attention to something that might not need much attention.

You know...kind of like that song you just can't get out of your head.

I honestly can not think of a time when the bench has disconcerted a free thrower...but then again, I don't do girls games.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Thanks a lot guys...now I might pay attention to something that might not need much attention.

You know...kind of like that song you just can't get out of your head.

I honestly can not think of a time when the bench has disconcerted a free thrower...but then again, I don't do girls games.

Stayed out of this discussion until now.

Youth tournament last winter, Boys, 6th grade I think.

Large gym, not many people. Two average teams. 1st half (18 minute running clock) visiting team bench suddenly gets coughing / sneezing fits at the exact moment Home team free thrower starts to shoot. I ignored it at first, then warned coach, then for whatever reason just ignored it after that. They kept it up the rest of the game.

End of the game, Home team will not shake hands with visitors. Coach said "I will not reward poor sportsmanship."

No hand shakes between teams becomes issue with the fans after the game, leading to yelling, finger pointing and me watching to see if it would escalate. No game management present as this is a multi-facility tournament and we are one of the satellite gyms.

I had to submit a report to tournament director.

All of this because I would not enforce the rule.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Thanks a lot guys...now I might pay attention to something that might not need much attention.

You know...kind of like that song you just can't get out of your head.

I honestly can not think of a time when the bench has disconcerted a free thrower...but then again, I don't do girls games.

The only times it's happened to me (taken care of with a comment to the bench) have been boys games.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I have to agree with this. The response from MTD was way out of proportion with the issue.

Mark may have gone way overboard on it but he was right in that it shouldn't be ignored.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Mark may have gone way overboard on it but he was right in that it shouldn't be ignored.

That's not what I said. His response was so ridiculously extreme that whatever message he might have been trying to send was lost in the exaggeration. Knowing when to subdue the bench is subjective and relative to the situation. If you have a packed gym where everyone in the stands is screaming and shouting during a free throw and the bench players are stomping their feet, are you going to stop everything and go tell the bench to knock it off? What is over the line may be different for one person as opposed to their partners as well.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Smitty

That's not what I said. His response was so ridiculously extreme that whatever message he might have been trying to send was lost in the exaggeration. Knowing when to subdue the bench is subjective and relative to the situation. If you have a packed gym where everyone in the stands is screaming and shouting during a free throw and the bench players are stomping their feet, are you going to stop everything and go tell the bench to knock it off? What is over the line may be different for one person as opposed to their partners as well.

I agree his response was rather extreme. However, I believe he tried talking some sense into him without that extreme response several times.

It's like when I say something to my child, 3-4 times in increasing volume until the final time I'm yelling and they say, "Why are you YELLING?!?!" Um .. because normal volume wasn't working!

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I believe he tried talking some sense into you without that extreme response several times.

Wasn't me. I was just defending his point (the guy who was the target of the red yelling).

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Wasn't me. I was just defending his point (the guy who was the target of the red yelling).

True. My bad. I've corrected my post.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I have to agree with this. The response from MTD was way out of proportion with the issue.

Originally Posted by Smitty

That's not what I said. His response was so ridiculously extreme that whatever message he might have been trying to send was lost in the exaggeration. Knowing when to subdue the bench is subjective and relative to the situation. If you have a packed gym where everyone in the stands is screaming and shouting during a free throw and the bench players are stomping their feet, are you going to stop everything and go tell the bench to knock it off? What is over the line may be different for one person as opposed to their partners as well.

Agree...my response wasn't so much to you, more in general. Yours was just a convenient place to jump in.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by stripes

Shouting and high post counts don't make you right.

Correct. Being right is what makes him right.

Trying to tell me to leave officiating because you disagree with me is ludicrous.

He was not telling you to leave because you disagree with each other. He was telling you that if you can't see this as an obvious thing you need to handle, then you don't have the intestinal fortitude to do this job. Thus, you should stop.

You don't know a thing about me, my officiating or my "intestinal fortitude."

Bluntly, sir, yes we do ... based solely on your own comments.

what I end up doing in my games is cleaning up the mess from people doing things like this.

Actually those who don't handle business like this make things more difficult on everyone else. I can't imagine a scenario where your predecessors handling this crap from the bench could possibly make things harder on someone unable to handle it on his own. The logic here makes no sense.

If you don't like my opinions, ignore them. I have found that easily done with you.

Despite evidence to the contrary; exhibit A being this post.