You call yourself a Referee, but You never played varsity hoop?

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

I don't mean to sound erudite

The irony of you using that word is fairly hilarious.

[Travelling Man]

Originally Posted by Brad

The irony of you using that word is fairly hilarious.

Not sure why you are using examples from your 7th grade hoop playing experience to rationalize your point. Also I"m not sure that you know the definition of "erudition"--if so you'd have understood the context in which it was used.

Now, let me turn my attention to the key issue that inheres. When I used to umpire baseball I knew that some of my fellow umps were "pitcher's umps' and some
were "hitter's umps" in terms of what strike zone allowances they accorded.
I'm a "defensive ref" because as a result of playing I know the feigning offensive sets tend to use. I don't give offenses a bias--I make them earn it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

*I'm so sorry you got cut from your ymca team, it's evident you have not gotten over it yet. Not sure why you are using examples from your 7th grade hoop playing experience to rationalize your point. Also I"m not sure that you know the definition of "erudition"--if so you'd have understood the context in which it was used.

Now, let me turn my attention to the key issue that inheres. When I used to umpire baseball I knew that some of my fellow umps were "pitcher's umps' and some
were "hitter's umps" in terms of what strike zone allowances they accorded.
I'm a "defensive ref" because as a result of playing I know the feigning offensive sets tend to use. I don't give offenses a bias--I make them earn it.

What in the hell are you talking about? Pitcher umps?

I umpired for some years and played each of my sports in high school at some point and I have never heard of someone being a "pitcher's ump."

It is clear that you are trying to spew some wisdom to something that really does not need that much conversation. Who cares if you played, that does not make you a good official. It might help on the front end to learn some rules and understand the strategy of the game, which can help you officiate. But playing does not mean you know the game better than others that officiate it for years. Actually many that played cannot get over their mentality of being a player and instead of calling the game based on rules, they call the game based off of expectations as a player. Stop trying to convince everyone how knowledgable you are in some statements and let the collective body of work prove that over some time. And no, it will not take long to prove to others you know what you are doing. But you are certainly off to a bad start.

Peace

[Brad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is clear that you are trying to spew some wisdom to something that really does not need that much conversation.

Rut, you have been known to “spew” every now and then yourself*…*but this is one of the best things you have ever said.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

Also I"m not sure that you know the definition of "erudition"--if so you'd have understood the context in which it was used.

His point is that your efforts to show your intelligence (in spite of your claim to the contrary) and learning are backfiring. You're likely very intelligent, but you're not coming across that way. It's coming across as someone trying to use words just a bit out of her league in order to impress a bunch of strangers.

Honestly, it reads like a freshman comp paper that's trying just a bit too hard to impress the professor.

If you want to get the most out of this forum, I'd recommend a bit more moderation in your approach. You're diving into a fairly well established social group, and that's terrific.

[asdf]

Hitter's Umps, Pitcher's Umps, Offensive Refs, Defensive Refs, If you haven't played the game you aren't going to be very good......

Once you quit dropping the TV announcer cliche's on the group, you'll enhance your credibility.

[Kelvin green]

Here are my couple of cents.. Players may have a sense about the game...but that does not make a great referee. Good referees study the game and study officiating. They know the rules.

I think I am a good referee, I have been to camps, I think I understand the game, I watch video and games and discuss calls all the time about calls...I never played Varsity basketball ....

[grunewar]

Guess Sarah Thomas has no shot at success as the first permanent, female NFL referee........

[Adam]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Guess Sarah Thomas has no shot at success as the first permanent, female NFL referee........

For that matter, one would be left wondering whether a female official could effectively work high level boys high school basketball (the opposite question is also in play).

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

Not sure why you are using examples from your 7th grade hoop playing experience to rationalize your point.

Never mentioned anything about 7th grade.

Why wouldn't my experience be relevant to making my point? You used your experience to rationalize your point. What other experiences do we have to base things on other than our own?

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

Also I"m not sure that you know the definition of "erudition"--if so you'd have understood the context in which it was used.

Yes, I understand it. You are basically saying, “I don't want to come off as thinking I am smarter than everyone else.” … The irony is that by using a word that is so uncommon, you are actually coming off exactly like that. It's irony. You know, ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife and such.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Travelling Man

I'm so sorry you got cut from your ymca team, it's evident you have not gotten over it yet.

I see the mods deleted this part, but it got quoted. I'm kind of glad it did because it shows your mindset and attitude.

I may not have been a successful high-school athlete, but I certainly had success in officiating. In one D1 game I worked one of the assistant coaches was being a huge pain—chirping about calls, etc. The veteran official I was working with went over to him during a media time-out, pointed his finger at him, and gave him some advice that would serve you well as you try to move up the officiating ladder:

“Hey! Don't be an ass-h&%e.”