Traveling or Held Ball?

[potato]

If A1 is going towards the basket, holding the ball, D1 got his hand on the ball so A1 couldn't launch the ball, if A1 still holding the ball all the while when he landed i would assume it's a jump ball, but what if after D1 touches the ball, A1 let go of the ball, would A1 be legal to grab the ball before anyone else touches it since A1 is still the last person to touch the ball:

a.Before he touches the ground
b.After he touches the ground

[Adam]

If A1 just lets go, either case is a travel.
If it's knocked out of his hands, either case is legal.
If he shoots the ball, either play is legal.

[potato]

What if D1 hit the ball but the ball is still on A1's hand & A1 let go of the ball because his hand slipped due to the hit would you consider it as a fumble since he lost control and allow him to retrieve the ball in both cases?

I would assume if he intentionally throws the ball at a defender and retrieve it it's legal.

Originally Posted by Adam

If A1 just lets go, either case is a travel.
If it's knocked out of his hands, either case is legal.
If he shoots the ball, either play is legal.

[BillyMac]

When an airborne player keeps control of an attempted shot that is blocked and is unable to release the ball and returns to the floor with it, that player has not traveled; it is a held ball. If, in this situation, the shooter loses control of the ball because of the block, then this is simply a blocked shot and play continues. If, in this situation, the defender simply touches the ball, and the airborne shooter returns to the floor holding the ball, it’s a traveling violation. When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and picks up the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by potato

A1 is going towards the basket, D1 got his hand on the ball.

Finally. I was getting totally bored watching Team A play Team B over, and over, and over, and over, again. I'm really looking forward to watching Team D play. Maybe we'll see some interesting situations that we never saw with Team B. I hope that the Team D coach shows better sportsmanship than the Team B coach. How many times did we eject that Team B coach?

Originally Posted by potato

It's a jump ball.

No it's not, it's a held ball.

[Raymond]

My head is going to explode with all these hypothetical judgment calls.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by potato

but what if after D1 touches the ball, A1 let go of the ball,

You need to judge whether the touch still prevented A1 from launching the ball (held ball) or A1 just chose to let go (Adam's answer).

95% of the time it's the former, or else A1 will just continue with the try.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Finally. I was getting totally bored watching Team A play Team B over, and over, and over, and over, again. I'm really looking forward to watching Team D play. Maybe we'll see some interesting situations that we never saw with Team B. I hope that the Team D coach shows better sportsmanship than the Team B coach. How many times did we eject that Team B coach?



No it's not, it's a held ball.

Billy:

I have a friend (yes, to all you naysayers out there, I do have friends, ) here in Toledo that is a basketball official and played for the Washington Generals for a few years after he graduated from college before returning home (Toledo) to become a H.S. teacher.

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You need to judge whether the touch still prevented A1 from launching the ball (held ball) or A1 just chose to let go (Adam's answer).

95% of the time it's the former, or else A1 will just continue with the try.

"Judgment", it's always the hardest thing for non-officials to grasp about officiating.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I have a friend here in Toledo that is a basketball official and played for the Washington Generals for a few years.

Louis Herman "Red" Klotz?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Louis Herman "Red" Klotz.

No it isn't Red. Who still coaches the New York Nationals as they are currently called. Red will be 92 years young on Oct. 21, 2013.

The former player, and now H.S. mathematics teacher and H.S. basketball official that I know is Luke Murphy, III, who played for the Hofstra University Flying Dutchmen from 1982 to 1986.

MTD, Sr.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by potato

If A1 is going towards the basket, holding the ball, D1 got his hand on the ball so A1 couldn't launch the ball, if A1 still holding the ball all the while when he landed i would assume it's a jump ball, but what if after D1 touches the ball, A1 let go of the ball, would A1 be legal to grab the ball before anyone else touches it since A1 is still the last person to touch the ball:

a.Before he touches the ground
b.After he touches the ground

4.44.3 SITUATION A:

A1 jumps to try for goal. B1 also jumps and:

(a) slaps the ball out of A1’s hands;
(b) touches the ball but does not prevent A1 from releasing the ball;
(c) touches the ball and A1 returns to the floor holding the ball; or
(d) touches the ball and A1 drops it to the floor and touches it first after it bounces.

RULING: In (a) and (b), the ball remains live.

In (c), a traveling violation.
In (d), a violation for starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor.
Since the touching did not prevent the pass or try in (b), (c) and (d), the ball remains live and subsequent action is covered by rules which apply to the situation.

You have to judge what actually happened.

[Travelling Man]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

"Judgment", it's always the hardest thing for non-officials to grasp about officiating.

despite the rule-books's efforts to encapsulate all possible scenarios and determine the correct call, that statemtn pretty much sums it up.