Illegal Dribble?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Interrupted (dribble).

To expound upon Camron Rust's excellent answer, just a few friendly off season reminders: There is no player control during an interrupted dribble. A player control foul cannot be charged during an interrupted dribble. A time out request may not be granted during an interrupted dribble. A closely guarded count should not be started, and if one has already been started, the count should be terminated during an interrupted dribble. The player involved with the interrupted dribble cannot be called for an out of bounds violation. Team control continues during an interrupted dribble. A team control foul can be called during an interrupted dribble. A three second violation can be called during an interrupted dribble.

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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

To expound upon Camron Rust's excellent answer, just a few friendly off season reminders: There is no player control during an interrupted dribble. A player control foul cannot be charged during an interrupted dribble. A time out request may not be granted during an interrupted dribble. A closely guarded count should not be started, and if one has already been started, the count should be terminated during an interrupted dribble. The player involved with the interrupted dribble cannot be called for an out of bounds violation. Team control continues during an interrupted dribble. A team control foul can be called during an interrupted dribble. A three second violation can be called during an interrupted dribble.

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Considering the section heading, it seems that the illegal action listed in article 3 makes your above statement false.


RULE 9
SECTION 3 OUT OF BOUNDS
ART. 1 . . . A player shall not cause the ball to go out of bounds.
NOTE: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.
ART. 2 . . . No player shall be out of bounds when he/she touches or is touched
by the ball after it has been released on a throw-in pass.
ART. 3 . . . A player shall not leave the court for an unauthorized reason.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It seems that the illegal action listed in article three makes your above statement false.

I call your 9-3-3 and raise you a 4-15-6-D: During an interrupted dribble: Out-of-bounds violation does not apply on the player involved in the interrupted dribble.

(If I'm wrong, I hope that it doesn't disqualify me from becoming an esteemed Forum member.)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Considering the section heading, it seems that the illegal action listed in article 3 makes your above statement false.


RULE 9
SECTION 3 OUT OF BOUNDS
ART. 1 . . . A player shall not cause the ball to go out of bounds.
NOTE: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.
ART. 2 . . . No player shall be out of bounds when he/she touches or is touched
by the ball after it has been released on a throw-in pass.
ART. 3 . . . A player shall not leave the court for an unauthorized reason.

OP says he left "involuntarily." That's not a violation of 9-3-3.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The player involved with the interrupted dribble cannot be called for an out of bounds violation.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Considering the section heading, it seems that the illegal action listed in article 3 makes your above statement false.


RULE 9
SECTION 3 OUT OF BOUNDS
ART. 1 . . . A player shall not cause the ball to go out of bounds.
NOTE: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.
ART. 2 . . . No player shall be out of bounds when he/she touches or is touched
by the ball after it has been released on a throw-in pass.
ART. 3 . . . A player shall not leave the court for an unauthorized reason.

Actually, the player involved in an interrupted dribble can be called for an OOB violation under Art. 1 by touching the ball while OOB. It is only the NOTE that they are not subject to violating.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Actually, the player involved in an interrupted dribble can be called for an OOB violation under Art. 1 by touching the ball while OOB. It is only the NOTE that they are not subject to violating.

I can agree with that.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Touching the ball while OOB.

Once he touches the ball the dribble is no longer interrupted, and all bets are off.

[BillyMac]

9-3-1-Note: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.

[Nevadaref]

Billy, let me try to clarify this for you. The only rule which a player involved in an interrupted dribble is exempt from is the Note directly under 9-3-1 and that is because he simply is NOT a dribbler! All other rules apply to this player as normal.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

4-15-6-D: During an interrupted dribble: Out-of-bounds violation does not apply on the player involved in the interrupted dribble.

I guess it was unclear to some folks back in the day, if a player violated per 9-1-3 Note during an interrupted dribble, so the NFHS attempted to clarify by crafting this. Of course, this language was written long before 9-3-3 was added to the books. As you know it was previously a technical foul to deliberately leave the court during playing action. So the wording has now gone from poor to very poor. The NFHS should never have written that the player isn't subject to an OOB violation. We have given several examples which demonstrate that he is. What they should have written was that the provision listed for a dribbler in 9-3-1 Note does not apply to a player involved in a interrupted dribble. That's it.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

9-3-1-Note: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The provision listed for a dribbler in 9-3-1 Note does not apply to a player involved in an interrupted dribble ...

... because an interrupted dribbler is no longer a dribbler. So 4-15-6-D (During an interrupted dribble: Out-of-bounds violation does not apply on the player involved in the interrupted dribble.) is correct.

Are we in agreement?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Once he touches the ball the dribble is no longer interrupted, and all bets are off.

Not true. A dribble is an action done by a player in control of the ball. If the dribbler loses control and then touches the ball once or more in an attempt to regain control, that player is not dribbling again and the dribble is still interrupted.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Once he touches the ball the dribble is no longer interrupted, and all bets are off.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Not true. A dribble is an action done by a player in control of the ball. If the dribbler loses control and then touches the ball once or more in an attempt to regain control, that player is not dribbling again and the dribble is still interrupted.

Agree. It might hit the dribbler-interrupted's leg or something in a way that is not a dribble.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree. It might hit the dribbler-interrupted's leg or something in a way that is not a dribble.

Or even his hand as he slaps at the ball attempting to regain control.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

A dribble is an action done by a player in control of the ball. If the dribbler loses control and then touches the ball once or more in an attempt to regain control, that player is not dribbling again and the dribble is still interrupted ...

... and if said player steps on, or over, a boundary line, then it isn't an out of bounds violation, according to 4-15-6-D (During an interrupted dribble: Out-of-bounds violation does not apply on the player involved in the interrupted dribble)?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Once he touches the ball the dribble is no longer interrupted, and all bets are off.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Not true. A dribble is an action done by a player in control of the ball. If the dribbler loses control and then touches the ball once or more in an attempt to regain control, that player is not dribbling again and the dribble is still interrupted.

Once he dribbles the ball the dribble is no longer interrupted, and all bets are off.