Dealing with coaches...

[deecee]

When a coach has reached his limit with me regarding complaining I just say, "I've heard/had enough." He's grown enough to understand what comes next.

If a coach is unhappy about a specific call and hasn't been a PITA I generally just say, "I got your point let's move on." He's grown enough here as well to understand what comes next.

When working with less experienced officials who are taking a beating I generally tell my partner that the next time the coach says something just tell him you've had enough. If it's a stoppage in play also tell me that you have warned to coach. I also, if I think that my partner has taken enough abuse for the crew, at the first sign the coach is going to whine to me, he gets his warning. Crap from a coach is accumulated as a crew IMO, and it shouldn't be individually earned.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

When working with less experienced officials who are taking a beating I generally tell my partner that the next time the coach says something just tell him you've had enough. If it's a stoppage in play also tell me that you have warned to coach. I also, if I think that my partner has taken enough abuse for the crew, at the first sign the coach is going to whine to me, he gets his warning. Crap from a coach is accumulated as a crew IMO, and it shouldn't be individually earned.

Why don't you protect your less experienced partner and not permit the coach to abuse him? After "enough abuse for the crew" the coach doesn't deserve a warning, he deserves a T.

You should certainly not instruct an inexperienced official to tell a coach to stop. That is something which a veteran should do for his newbie partner.
Unfortunately, you still aren't ready to lead a crew.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why don't you protect your less experienced partner and not permit the coach to abuse him? After "enough abuse for the crew" the coach doesn't deserve a warning, he deserves a T.

You should certainly not instruct an inexperienced official to tell a coach to stop. That is something which a veteran should do for his newbie partner.
Unfortunately, you still aren't ready to lead a crew.

I prefer to lead by allowing the less experienced the opportunity to deal with this issue themselves. If they show that after instruction they cannot handle the situation then I can step in. We are not dealing with infants but adults, and I remember when I was new and partners just jumped all over doing whatever they thought or wanted to it annoyed me. I would rather have been instructed as to what the proper way to handle a situation was and given the opportunity. Of course if a coach is so belligerent then by all means my partner could step in, and I would appreciate a, "I did that because..."

We all lead in different ways. You, I can guess, lead by a dogmatic approach of I am right and everyone else is wrong. I am happy that works for you.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

I prefer to lead by allowing the less experienced the opportunity to deal with this issue themselves. If they show that after instruction they cannot handle the situation then I can step in. We are not dealing with infants but adults, and I remember when I was new and partners just jumped all over doing whatever they thought or wanted to it annoyed me. I would rather have been instructed as to what the proper way to handle a situation was and given the opportunity. Of course if a coach is so belligerent then by all means my partner could step in, and I would appreciate a, "I did that because..."

We all lead in different ways. You, I can guess, lead by a dogmatic approach of I am right and everyone else is wrong. I am happy that works for you.

When I was newer I had one particular partner who felt it necessary to jump in when I had extended dialogue with coaches. It irritated me as well.

[BatteryPowered]

I think it depends on the situation. We all probably had a "know it all" or "I'll handle it for you" partner when we were just starting. While what I told my children when they were growing up is true...It is less painful to learn from the mistakes of others than from your own mistakes...it is not always the best way to learn.

When I was considered one of the vets in our chapter I took the approach of letting a partner handle the situation in their own way...but always keeping the best interest of the crew in mind. If they gave a stop sign to a coach I always asked what was said or if it was just a sign. Then I would be more aware of what was said and reinforced the "warning" with the coach. A great many coaches test newer officials and I wanted to make sure they understoon that I was not new and they were on notice. Sometimes I told my partner to let me handle it from there...if it appeared he was "excitable"...sometime I gave them a chance to handle it, but never let it go too far.

A good official should be able to read his partner just like they read the coaches and players.

Just my opinion and approach.

[k_st8r]

Listen to the content and volume. I don't respond to statements...generally. Pick your battles call your game, don't be trolling the sidelines for trouble from the bench, if you troll long enough something will attract your attention, and deviate all the attention from the court and the game.

Accusations, emphatic physical behavior, loud and attention gathering verbal outcries, still boohooing about a NO call 2 trips later.......1 warning, if needed a physical a "stop sign"..... continued behavior, "here's your sign!" "T"

It is rare that this is unpredictable, you can smell it coming like bad gas.
Exceptions maybe.... a specific incidental call, injury play. We are not perfect, we do HAVE TO MAKE A CALL. we can not stop the contact/foul from occurring, we can merely choose to call something, or not.

In closing.... there is a big difference between a Varsity game Coach conduct, and Tournament ball, AAU, USSSA,etc...

BIG DIFFERENCE.....................

[BigT]

Great comments all around. I appreciate and look forward to using the suggestions at a National tournament this weekend.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

I think it depends on the situation. We all probably had a "know it all" or "I'll handle it for you" partner when we were just starting. While what I told my children when they were growing up is true...It is less painful to learn from the mistakes of others than from your own mistakes...it is not always the best way to learn.

When I was considered one of the vets in our chapter I took the approach of letting a partner handle the situation in their own way...but always keeping the best interest of the crew in mind. If they gave a stop sign to a coach I always asked what was said or if it was just a sign. Then I would be more aware of what was said and reinforced the "warning" with the coach. A great many coaches test newer officials and I wanted to make sure they understoon that I was not new and they were on notice. Sometimes I told my partner to let me handle it from there...if it appeared he was "excitable"...sometime I gave them a chance to handle it, but never let it go too far.

A good official should be able to read his partner just like they read the coaches and players.

Just my opinion and approach.

What if they can't handle it? What if they they are now yelling at the veteran and over the top about the younger, inexperienced officials? I get the point you are trying to make, but that is only going to go so far. And coaches often do not just yell at the guy they are upset with, they start making the rounds to get some satisfaction.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why don't you protect your less experienced partner and not permit the coach to abuse him? After "enough abuse for the crew" the coach doesn't deserve a warning, he deserves a T.

You should certainly not instruct an inexperienced official to tell a coach to stop. That is something which a veteran should do for his newbie partner.
Unfortunately, you still aren't ready to lead a crew.

I'm going to give my partner a crack or two to handle the situation himself. If he's good enough to be assigned to a particular game, I'm going to assume (at least at first) that he's capable of handling a coach.

There's nothing worse for the crew, IMO, than a veteran jumping over the rookie at the first sign of trouble. It makes the rookie look incapable, it makes the veteran look aggressive. That said, I won't let a coach run the bus over a younger official, either. But I'll try to handle it in a way that doesn't (1) show up the coach, (2) show everyone I have no trust in my partner and (3) make it look like I have it out for the coach.

[BatteryPowered]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What if they can't handle it? What if they they are now yelling at the veteran and over the top about the younger, inexperienced officials? I get the point you are trying to make, but that is only going to go so far. And coaches often do not just yell at the guy they are upset with, they start making the rounds to get some satisfaction.

Peace

That is where "always keeping the best interest of the crew in mind" part comes in.

DUH!!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

That is where "always keeping the best interest of the crew in mind" part comes in.

DUH!!!!

Then what you said was very subjective when someone is being a "know it all" as you put it to come in takes charge.

So it sounds like you are outraged by something that someone else might not even be concerned with.

Peace