Pacers vs Heat - Game 5 (Video Request)

[deecee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Once again, I do not think Tyler H is penalized for a push or not a push. He is penalized (rightfully so) for approaching Birdman and helping escalate the incident. If that happens in a NCAA or NF game I am working, it is an easy decision on my part. Do not tell me folks allow a player to do that and not do anything to them?

Peace

I disagree completely.

Lets look at the facts.

1. Anderson targets Tyler and cheap shots him and knocks him over.
2. Tyler gets up, upset of course (who would have thunk it). And steps towards Anderson's direction. What else is a rational person supposed to do?
3. Anderson squares up with him. Here both Tyler and Anderson are probably sharing words.
4. Anderson shoves him again.
5. Hansboro does not retaliate.

Anderson isn't ejected and I completely disagree with Hansboro's T. If you are going to give a double T in that instance, which I assume for squaring up and talking trash, then hit Anderson with another one for the shove.

But I would have him tossed for the first contact when he took a cheap shot and issued him with a flagrant.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

I disagree completely.

Lets look at the facts.

1. Anderson targets Tyler and cheap shots him and knocks him over.
2. Tyler gets up, upset of course (who would have thunk it). And steps towards Anderson's direction. What else is a rational person supposed to do?

Walk away.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Adam

Walk away.

Anyone who does that in this instance would be a robot. He took 1/2 - 1 full step in Anderson's direction. Saying his actions and Anderson's are equal is just malarky IMO.

[JRutledge]

Unless you know he did not say something or words were not exchanged on any level, you have no idea why there was or would not have been given. They clearly had words. He did not walk away and at least in my experience at levels lower than the NBA, it is completely warranted to give a T for a player that has words and approaches a player no matter what they did to them. It is no different then if a guy pops off and then he is punched. Well in the NF rules for sure that is considered fighting for saying something that instigates a fight. This was not quite a fight, but I am not saying Tyler H is innocent. And the officials was there to know what was said or not said on some level.

And unless someone can find me a rule that says how far they step towards or when it acceptable to get in the face of an opponent, then it is up to the official on the floor to determine what is over the top. This is why we get paid the big bucks (and certainly an NBA official) to make those decisions.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by deecee

Anyone who does that in this instance would be a robot. He took 1/2 - 1 full step in Anderson's direction. Saying his actions and Anderson's are equal is just malarky IMO.

He didn't even move that far...he is knocked down and lands on the free throw line. After standing back up, his feet are never more than about 6" from the free throw line. Anderson takes two full steps - from outside the half circle - and makes the contact with Hansbrough. Like you said - malarkey.

As I already said, maybe Hansbrough said something to deserve the T. Don't know. But unless he did say the magic words, no way did both players deserve the same penalty for that "after the cheap shot" action.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

He didn't even move that far...he is knocked down and lands on the free throw line. After standing back up, his feet are never more than about 6" from the free throw line. Anderson takes two full steps - from outside the half circle - and makes the contact with Hansbrough. Like you said - malarkey.

As I already said, maybe Hansbrough said something to deserve the T. Don't know. But unless he did say the magic words, no way did both players deserve the same penalty for that "after the cheap shot" action.

APG can probably explain the actual rule, but I believe this is a double foul in the NBA where at other levels it would not be. I still see a T on Tyler H, but it would not be a double foul (maybe a false double). And that is why we all do not have the same judgment. Maybe in your game you would call nothing and others would.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

If Hansbrough gets a T on that play, then Anderson should have been ejected.

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

If Hansbrough gets a T on that play, then Anderson should have been ejected.

Bingo. Here's the breakdown I see.

Hansbrough:
Technical for not walking away/jawing at Anderson

Anderson:
Flagrant 1 for hip-checking Hansbrough
Technical for shoving Hansbrough

Where is Anderson's technical for not walking away/jawing at Hansbrough?