Officiating 101 - Pregame Positioning - 2 person

[Adam]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

Ok, just want to make sure I understand what some of you are thinking. You're telling me you go over to the scorers table and ask the scorer if a team has submitted a roster with starters from each team and that's it. The roster shows 2 no. 33's or a no. 7 or 6 players noted at starters (for example). Are you telling me you are going to be ok with issuing a technical when any of these players come onto the floor because you haven't checked the book, but have only checked to confirm that the scorer has recieved a roster !!!

I look to verify two things.

1. There are no duplicate numbers.
2. There are at least as many names in the book as players warming up for each team.

If the information isn't in the book yet, but has only been supplied, there's not much to verify. If, after that, we have to change something in the book, whether I call a T or not will depend on whether the the wrong information in the book matches what was supplied by the team.

If the source information was wrong, then I'm perfectly ok with calling the T.

[REFANDUMP]

I understand what you're saying, but in my opinion that "T" is avoidable, and I prefer to keep it that way.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

I understand what you're saying, but in my opinion that "T" is avoidable, and I prefer to keep it that way.

What T? What else are you looking for?

[REFANDUMP]

Maybe I misunderstood what some of you are saying. What I'm now reading is that you're not checking the official book, but am checking the rosters given to the scorekeepers. Is this correct, and if so why not wait and do your checking after the information is entered in the official book, so you can avoid a delay if there is an error in transferring the information ?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

Maybe I misunderstood what some of you are saying. What I'm now reading is that you're not checking the official book, but am checking the rosters given to the scorekeepers. Is this correct, and if so why not wait and do your checking after the information is entered in the official book, so you can avoid a delay if there is an error in transferring the information ?

You are making this really too complicated. All the rule requires is that the information submitted by correct and done before the 10 minute mark. That is it. Of course you want the official book to be correct, but if we know that the information was properly submitted before 10 minutes, then we will not penalize someone for a clerical error.

Yes the official book has to be accurate, but if someone claims that someone was not in the book or that a number was not accurate, we can review to see if that was on the team or the copying of that information.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

Maybe I misunderstood what some of you are saying. What I'm now reading is that you're not checking the official book, but am checking the rosters given to the scorekeepers. Is this correct, and if so why not wait and do your checking after the information is entered in the official book, so you can avoid a delay if there is an error in transferring the information ?

Because a lot of times, the information is supplied at 12:00, but not entered until 9:00. I'm not going to hover over the scorer to ensure they transcribe correctly. Besides, what's the point in checking the book after it's entered at 8:00?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

I look to verify two things.
1. There are no duplicate numbers.
2. There are at least as many names in the book as players warming up for each team.

3. Illegal numbers.

For some reason this was a point of emphasis in the Catholic middle school league that I officiated in this past winter. Sure enough, I discovered a number six before the season was over. I had the same team twice. Both times the coach didn't want to give up his right to stand, so he had one player play the first half, and then, after informing the officials, and the scorekeeper (I also informed the opposing coach, even though, surprisingly, it's not required by rule), he had the "first half" player switch jerseys with the illegally numbered jersey player at halftime so that the previously illegally numbered player could now legally play in the second half, now with a legal number, with no penalty, other than one player, a different one each half, having to sit on the bench for that half. Man? There had to be an easier, better way to explain this?