Pac-12 Officiating

[rockyroad]

I also have worked games on both coasts and in the middle. And I have worked with people who bragged about how many D-1 conferences they worked - and then stepped on the court with them and wanted to shoot myself in the head, they were that horrible.

So the "big dogs" in the east get to work more conferences than out here - again that's because of population density and the number of schools. Certainly doesn't mean that the only "good" officials are on the east coast.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I also have worked games on both coasts and in the middle. And I have worked with people who bragged about how many D-1 conferences they worked - and then stepped on the court with them and wanted to shoot myself in the head, they were that horrible.

So the "big dogs" in the east get to work more conferences than out here - again that's because of population density and the number of schools. Certainly doesn't mean that the only "good" officials are on the east coast.

We are not judging these things by who we might have worked with, we are judging this by what we see. I am not impressed with a lot of Pac 12 officiating. Of course there are more officials out this way and there are good and buy guys all the way around, but I see a lot of things that make me scratch my head out when watching in the Pac 10/12 games. That being said I have seen some outstanding officials work games, but overall I wonder where they get some of them. And if a lot of them are getting to that level without having to go through the fire, then that might explain that.

Peace

[tomegun]

I hope my posts clearly communicated the fact that I have done more than work games with some people from both coasts. I have been to camps, been evaluated and worked games at various levels on both coasts...as a resident of the area. I am also talking purely about call accuracy and the work that is done to get to the point of (hopefully) making calls consistently. I have friends on both coasts; very good people both places.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

...Certainly doesn't mean that the only "good" officials are on the east coast.

I missed that post. In fact, I missed where it was a discussion of East Coast vs. West Coast.

I thought is was a discussion about how many quality officials conferences east of the Rockies have access to as complared to how may quality officials conferences west of the Rockies have access to. The Big Ten is not "East Coast", neither is the SEC or Big XII.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I missed that post. In fact, I missed where it was a discussion of East Coast vs. West Coast.

You mean to tell me we are back to the Biggie vs. TuPac beef again? (Sorry I could not resist).

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I thought is was a discussion about how many quality officials conferences east of the Rockies have access to as complared to how may quality officials conferences west of the Rockies have access to. The Big Ten is not "East Coast", neither is the SEC or Big XII.

It was, but some people get offended when you point out deficiencies of places they are from. I agree, this is about pure numbers more than anything. It has already been stated the western part of the country obviously does not have the population that the eastern part has. I would just think purely off of numbers you would have more good officials just like you have more good teams from the midwestern to eastern parts of the state.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Guess I need to type slowly for a few of us to understand what I am saying...I have not argued the numbers. But the numbers really don't matter - there are way more D-1 schools "back east" so they need way more D-1 officials "back east". Hopefully we can all agree on that. But that does not mean that the Pac-12 officials are somehow deficient or not as good as people who work the SEC or ACC or Big East...

I appreciate tomegun's comments as he has been in multiple places and seen officiating at the various levels. But I don't think that he is saying that there aren't any good officials in the Pac. He can correct me if I am wrong.

As far as being "offended" by someone supposedly pointing out a deficiency, that's just a stupid comment. Not really surprising considering...but first - not offended by anyone else's opinion. It's a discussion forum where we discuss opinions. And so far the only "deficiency" pointed out has been that there are more people living in the "east" than the "west". That's not a deficiency - it's a reason to live out here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Guess I need to type slowly for a few of us to understand what I am saying...I have not argued the numbers. But the numbers really don't matter - there are way more D-1 schools "back east" so they need way more D-1 officials "back east". Hopefully we can all agree on that. But that does not mean that the Pac-12 officials are somehow deficient or not as good as people who work the SEC or ACC or Big East...

It can if those top officials are only top officials by taking a completely different route to the top. If officials have more competition and see better basketball overall in one part of the country as compared to another part of the country, I think that could influence who overall is better. Can a west coast official work every night of the week the way a guy in the Midwest and East Coast official while not working every top conference during that week? I do not know the answer to that question, just asking.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I appreciate tomegun's comments as he has been in multiple places and seen officiating at the various levels. But I don't think that he is saying that there aren't any good officials in the Pac. He can correct me if I am wrong.

Maybe I am wrong, but I do not recall anyone saying here that there were no good officials in the Pac 12.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

As far as being "offended" by someone supposedly pointing out a deficiency, that's just a stupid comment. Not really surprising considering...but first - not offended by anyone else's opinion. It's a discussion forum where we discuss opinions. And so far the only "deficiency" pointed out has been that there are more people living in the "east" than the "west". That's not a deficiency - it's a reason to live out here

Well that depends on what you value I guess.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Guess I need to type slowly for a few of us to understand what I am saying...I have not argued the numbers. But the numbers really don't matter - there are way more D-1 schools "back east" so they need way more D-1 officials "back east". Hopefully we can all agree on that. But that does not mean that the Pac-12 officials are somehow deficient or not as good as people who work the SEC or ACC or Big East...

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I'll go back to my point which has to do with D1 coaches. D1 coaches like to know that the officials who work their games are guys who also work other major conferences want to use for their big games. Really has nothing to do with quality. They want to feel comfortable that at least one of the guys working their game that night is the cream of the crop across the country and they get that confirmation by seeing that guy working a big TV game in another conference.

My take on this issue has nothing to do with "difficiencies" or "West Coast vs. East Coast".

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'll go back to my point which has to do with D1 coaches. D1 coaches like to know that the officials who work their games are guys who also work other major conferences want to use for their big games. Really has nothing to do with quality. They want to feel comfortable that at least one of the guys working their game that night is the cream of the crop across the country and they get that confirmation by seeing that guy working a big TV game in another conference.

My take on this issue has nothing to do with "difficiencies" or "West Coast vs. East Coast".

Ok. That's a valid point. My counter would be that the PAC officials are also working WCC games like Gonzaga vs St. Mary, etc...or working the MWC games or Big Sky games - all of which are televised out here after Ll you guys have gone to bed. So they do see their officials working other games in other venues, just not ACC or SEC or whatever.