T or no T

[Raymond]

New Lead did right in making her get the ball. Now, on the kick, if she is someone who has been an headache previously I would T as soon as she put foot to ball.

[#olderthanilook]

That girl has an ATTITUDE. Set the ball down...retrieve it by rolling it with her foot making the official pick it up....slowly walk in front of him and the FT shooter just to finish her point of disgust wit the call.

Wow.

[Bad Zebra]

Definitely a brief discussion as she saunters by...good move to have her retrieve it initially. As a singular act, I don't see it rising to a T-worthy level.

[BillyMac]

I would definitely be keeping an eye of #32 for the rest of the game. Anything marginal, will be called. Anything. She's one of those knuckleheads that we keep talking about here on the Forum. Being a sexist pig, I usually think of knuckleheads as being male, but, in reality, they do present themselves as different genders.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I would definitely be keeping an eye of #32 for the rest of the game. Anything marginal, will be called. Anything.

That's not the appropriate or professional manner to handle this.
Never allow your judgment on decisions to be influenced by anything. That compromises the integrity of the game.
Recommending that anything marginal from this player in the future will be a foul is an unfair way to officiate. Just take care of business and penalize the unsporting act when it occurs and then continue officiating the remainder of the contest in your normal manner.

[RefAHallic]

If this was the first act, wouldn't a game delay warning work? I'm sure the official didn't tell #32 to go back to the ball and kick it over to me. If this is in addition to other knucklehead conduct then spank her with a technical.

[APG]

Originally Posted by RefAHallic

If this was the first act, wouldn't a game delay warning work? I'm sure the official didn't tell #32 to go back to the ball and kick it over to me. If this is in addition to other knucklehead conduct then spank her with a technical.

Under NFHS rules, there are only four situations under which you can issue a delay of game warning. This is not one of them.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's not the appropriate or professional manner to handle this.

I see your point, but I'm always going to keep a close eye on the knuckleheads in the game. These are the players (usually football players trying to stay in shape during the winter) who are always blurring the "lines in the sand. These are the players who, very often, are involved with intentional "hard" fouls, flagrant fouls, and verbal confrontations, as well as physical fights. It's in the best interest of the officials to keep an eye on these types of players. I'm not saying to "make up" any calls, but if they do something illegal, then, by all means, don't think about passing on it.

In the case of the young lady in the video. Maybe she caught me by surprise, and maybe I passed on the technical foul the first time, but I can be sure that I won't pass on something similar again.

Let's flip this around. I've heard a philosophy to "protect the stars", that is, to pass on any some calls to keep the star players in the game. I do not agree with this philosophy.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I would definitely be keeping an eye of #32 for the rest of the game. She's one of those knuckleheads that we keep talking about here on the Forum.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's not the appropriate or professional manner to handle this. Never allow your judgment on decisions to be influenced by anything. That compromises the integrity of the game.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm always going to keep a close eye on the knuckleheads in the game. These are the players (usually football players trying to stay in shape during the winter) who are always blurring the "lines in the sand. These are the players who, very often, are involved with intentional "hard" fouls, flagrant fouls, and verbal confrontations, as well as physical fights. It's in the best interest of the officials to keep an eye on these types of players. I'm not saying to "make up" any calls, but if they do something illegal, then, by all means, don't think about passing on it.

Remember this (below) from last year? This kid is the kind of knucklehead that's getting some extra attention from me in my game. I'm not going to make stuff up, but he's not getting a pass on anything illegal either.

[Nevadaref]

Whack.

I will be shocked if anyone who responds to this thread takes the position that this behavior by a player is acceptable.

The only reason that it continues to occur is that officials fail to penalize it.
We are our own worst enemy sometimes.

[Adam]

Nevada, when are you calling the T? When she puts the ball down or when she pushes it to you with her foot?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Nevada, when are you calling the T? When she puts the ball down or when she pushes it to you with her foot?

Since both actions are unacceptable and against the rules, it really doesn't matter, but I feel that if there hasn't been a whistle before she kicks the ball, then one is certainly needed at that time. Everyone in the gym sees that and it slights the officiating crew and is an affront to the game overall.

Personally, it would come down to which position I had on the court. If I am next to this player, then my whistle sounds when she puts the ball down and walks away. If my partner is over there and chooses to instruct her to retrieve the ball, then I'm staying out of it until she elects to kick it. At that point I'm charging a T from anywhere on the court.

[rockyroad]

In this situation she should have been T'd as soon as she placed the ball on the floor. It is obvious that the new L is asking her for the ball as she does that, so go ahead and ring her up.

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Definitely a brief discussion as she saunters by...good move to have her retrieve it initially. As a singular act, I don't see it rising to a T-worthy level.

It wasn't singular ... setting the ball down was singular. Kicking it ... I see as T-worthy

[ref3808]

My whistle is getting air when she puts her foot on the ball. She got her "break'"when I told her to retrieve the ball. She is doing that to show up the officials. I won't be an enabler for that behavior.